Comments Thread For: Fury: Joshua is Not Dangerous, I'm No Believer, Sparked Out By Ruiz

[ralex]

AJ is a good boxer for a heavyweight but he’ll still get taken to school by Fury.

[davefromvancouv]

Fury priced himself out he asked for more of a share against AJ (20mil + paydays) than he did against Wilder who's biggest payday was 3 mil at the time. That's where your nonsense argument falls down.

Fury only wanted his fair share. As the reigning lineal champion and former WBA/IBF/WBO champion, he wanted a 4-fight deal culminating in a 50/50 split for the biggest fight in UK history and a chance for Joshua to actually earn his belts. As stated, Joshua refused and went on to embarrass himself against Ruiz. Twice.

[davefromvancouv]

I'm aware of the lineal title. But lineal refers to a line. If a line is ever broken, when it restarts, it becomes two separate lines.

The best you could call Fury is the "Heavily Caveated Broken Lineal Champion".

Then you're aware that if the lineal champion officially retires, the consensus #1 and #2 fighters fight for the new lineage. Klitschko became the lineal champion during his 10 year reign, then Fury beat him. He has successfully defended that title 5 times.

[davefromvancouv]

Were you talking about how great the Lineal title was before Fury lost all his other belts?

I am guessing you are just a Fury fan. Looking forward to seeing when/if Joshua or Wilder win it and you post about how great they are is for having it. Because I'm sure being fair-minded you would do that too? right?

Has nothing to do with how great it is. It's just how it works. You beat the man, you're the man. Simple concept.

[Tyistall]

The lineal title, is a made up belt. That is why a con man like Fury has made claim to it. It isn't real and he has argued that it is his and it's somehow relevant. It isn't. Unless you are the unified champion. Which Fury isn't. He also has the Ring title, which again, is not really a belt. It's a made up belt that is put out there by a magazine that no one reads any more. Tyson Fury is a good boxer, but he has never defended a belt, never had a huge PPV and other than fighting Wilder he hasn't fought any of the top 30 in the world right now. All you guys praising him like he is on par with Ali, you need to stop and have a reality check. He fought 2 great fights so far to go with a lot of boring, eyesore fights. Again, he's a good boxer, but you cannot call him great until he starts challenging himself against other champions or at least some of the top ten guys. Until then, he is an implosion waiting to happen

[davefromvancouv]

The lineal title, is a made up belt. That is why a con man like Fury has made claim to it. It isn't real and he has argued that it is his and it's somehow relevant. It isn't. Unless you are the unified champion. Which Fury isn't. He also has the Ring title, which again, is not really a belt. It's a made up belt that is put out there by a magazine that no one reads any more. Tyson Fury is a good boxer, but he has never defended a belt, never had a huge PPV and other than fighting Wilder he hasn't fought any of the top 30 in the world right now. All you guys praising him like he is on par with Ali, you need to stop and have a reality check. He fought 2 great fights so far to go with a lot of boring, eyesore fights. Again, he's a good boxer, but you cannot call him great until he starts challenging himself against other champions or at least some of the top ten guys. Until then, he is an implosion waiting to happen

Fury is the only fighter since Lennox Lewis to win all 4 belts. Plus he beat the last dominant fighter (Klitschko) and the longest reigning heavyweight champion (Wilder) of this era.

That's not made up. It's reality. Until somebody beats him, he is the lineal champion. That's how it has worked for the last 135 years.

[Angeljuice]

Then you're aware that if the lineal champion officially retires, the consensus #1 and #2 fighters fight for the new lineage. Klitschko became the lineal champion during his 10 year reign, then Fury beat him. He has successfully defended that title 5 times.

Yes, but that isn't truly lineal is it. I know it has Caveats and rules for when the line is broken, but that's my point, it has been broken so many times it means nothing nowadays.

It's a dotted line at best.

[Jkp]

Son, you are just another joker who is trying to get into a debate he's no clue of. I don't have your time.

But u got time to write meaningless response

[Tyistall]

Fury is the only fighter since Lennox Lewis to win all 4 belts. Plus he beat the last dominant fighter (Klitschko) and the longest reigning heavyweight champion (Wilder) of this era.

That's not made up. It's reality. Until somebody beats him, he is the lineal champion. That's how it has worked for the last 135 years.

Huge sigh. Ok, I'm going to explain it to you once, and that's it ok? Fury gave up his lineal title, when he got busted for steroids and retired. "That's how it works" he has since repeatedly claimed that he is the lineal champion, until people starting saying that he was. But the truth is, the line stopped when he quit and wouldn't rematch Klitschko. Right now, Wilder is saying that he doesn't recognize Fury as a champion, but that doesn't mean he isn't right? Same thing here. Just because Fury keeps saying he's the lineal champion, it doesn't mean he is. If he actually grows a pair and fights AJ for all the belts, then the winner will become the lineal champion again. THAT'S how it works.

[davefromvancouv]

Yes, but that isn't truly lineal is it. I know it has Caveats and rules for when the line is broken, but that's my point, it has been broken so many times it means nothing nowadays.

It's a dotted line at best.

It's a passing of the torch. Each new lineage requires that the top two fighters fight for it. A new lineage has only been created 4 times in the 135 year history of the sport: From Sullivan to Gene Tunney, Max Schmeling to Marciano, Floyd Paterson to Lewis, and now the Klitschko lineage which he established over a 10 year reign (after Vitali retired). Fury beat Klitschko, then went on to beat Wilder, the longest reigning champion of his time. Any fighter who wants to claim Fury's spot as the best will have to beat him. And that fighter just can't just go around collecting belts and claim he's the best. Fury has clearly established himself as the best, which is perfect because he is the lineal champion.