Weight bully? Or weight-drained? Which is it?

[elfag]

If the fighter is black, he's a weight bully

If the fighter is white. He's weight drained

If the fighter is Hispanic he can be both. Just depends how dark they are.

lol at this race baiter.

Chavez Jr is light as hell and he is universally considered a weight bully in his early career.

[_Rexy_]

How do you figure Canelo is a weight bully?

Having a 160 title fight with a hydration clauses only for his next fight to be at 175? (with a hydration clause)


Actually, out of his sixteen world title fights, Only three have been without a Catchweight or a Hydration Clause.

[_Rexy_]

lol at this race baiter.

Chavez Jr is light as hell and he is universally considered a weight bully in his early career.

Early? ****, even now. I don't think Chavez has ever fought someone his own size.

[kushking]

Having a 160 title fight with a hydration clauses only for his next fight to be at 175? (with a hydration clause)


Actually, out of his sixteen world title fights, Only three have been without a Catchweight or a Hydration Clause.

You conveniently leave out that you ggg fans/nelo haters were discrediting Jacobs "gift" vs ggg as "weight bullied doe",that Jacobs was IBF champ whom had just fought with same clause against Deryev & that Canelo obeyed clause while Jacobs completely blew it off meaning it makes Canelos win much more impressive because he fought at a disadvantage & still schooled a much bigger man. You conveniently act as if Canelo isn't a tiny midget cashcow whos still willing to move up to fight champs at their own weight & he would have to be fcking ******ed to listen to haters such as giving Kovalev a chance to come in at hw for their fight which was scheduled almost an entire day later than Kovalev normally gets to rehydrate after weigh ins. Just admit you HATE canelo already it makes things clearer,admit that no matter what ginger does you have & will continue to discredit it along with 90% of ppl on this site & in boxing media

[Citizen Koba]

Seems like people like to have it both ways when boxers drop a lot of pounds to make the weight limit of a certain division.

If they don't like them then they are weight bullies picking on smaller guys.

If they do like them then they are great for fighting well despite being so weak from forcing themselves to make the weight.

Errol Spence being a perfect example. If he has to drop 40 pounds to make welterweight then that should work against him, right? He should be drained from the effort and it shouldn't be seen as an advantage.

it's one of those funny ones a bit like lowballing/overpricing where it always seem to depend on which fighter the person likes... a bit too much subjectivity for my taste which is why I tend to be careful about bringing it into debates..


...But if you are it's always gonna be circumstantial. If a guy's reaching 30 (which is when anecdotally the cut gets much harder) and been complaining about the weight for a while, it's sign. Retrospectively we can see what a guy did next.. if they immediately move up a class or more in their next fight or so, and look better (like Bellew for example) it's a sign. If a guy's repeatedly missing weight or seeming to have weight issues (I'm thinking maybe Pantera or Tank) it's a sign. In general younger guys can rehydrate more safely so there can be some justification in saying a dude's bullying if you got a young guy that looks outsized at the weight (I'm thinking a 160lb Chavez Jr here perhaps, or maybe Zurdo or Vlasov at 168).

You refering to Spence though...? well as a general rule of thumb I'd say a guy of 30 or more is more likely to be disadvantaged by playing weight games than advantaged so I wouldn't be saying he's a 'bully' but I also won't be surprised if he has to - or wants to - move up soon. It's probably overdue and especially aftyer a long layoff I think he might struggle to get back down.

[_Rexy_]

You conveniently leave out that you ggg fans/nelo haters were discrediting Jacobs "gift" vs ggg as "weight bullied doe",that Jacobs was IBF champ whom had just fought with same clause against Deryev & that Canelo obeyed clause while Jacobs completely blew it off meaning it makes Canelos win much more impressive because he fought at a disadvantage & still schooled a much bigger man. You conveniently act as if Canelo isn't a tiny midget cashcow whos still willing to move up to fight champs at their own weight & he would have to be fcking ******ed to listen to haters such as giving Kovalev a chance to come in at hw for their fight which was scheduled almost an entire day later than Kovalev normally gets to rehydrate after weigh ins. Just admit you HATE canelo already it makes things clearer,admit that no matter what ginger does you have & will continue to discredit it along with 90% of ppl on this site & in boxing media

Jacobs didn't blow it off, he came in 2 pounds heavier (172) and paid the fine. Nice revisionist history. And Canelo had two hydration clauses for Kovalev, So when would he have come in as a HW? Morning weigh in - 180. Before fight weigh in - 185


If Canelo is so ****ing great, then fine. Fight without all the asterisks. But you're sticking up for three fights at three different weight classes all with hydration clauses. You can't look at anything objectively.


Has there ever been a fighter move up two weight classes and still be the betting favorite?

[Citizen Koba]

Early? ****, even now. I don't think Chavez has ever fought someone his own size.

Fonfara... maybe.

[_Rexy_]

Fonfara... maybe.

Chavez still seemed thicker, but yeah. that's likely the best example.

[aboutfkntime]

Seems like people like to have it both ways when boxers drop a lot of pounds to make the weight limit of a certain division.

If they don't like them then they are weight bullies picking on smaller guys.

If they do like them then they are great for fighting well despite being so weak from forcing themselves to make the weight.

Errol Spence being a perfect example. If he has to drop 40 pounds to make welterweight then that should work against him, right? He should be drained from the effort and it shouldn't be seen as an advantage.

it is always a fine line

weight-bullying, is non-existent... it does not happen, it is a myth

FACT: if you can make 147 and be healthy for 12 rounds, then you are a welterweight

the thing is, Spence admitted that he struggled with Porter, and he admitted that he struggled with weight in that camp... so, is that what we saw happen?

put it this way, if making weight affected Spence, then Porter was not good enough to exploit it... also, Spence said that he can make improvements by staying in shape between fights... which is always a funny thing to hear a veteran say

it is a fine line, but there is no such thing as a weight-bully, not in today's era with 17 divisions...

... the weight has never been more even, or fair, at any time in boxing history... back in the day it was much worse

... in every division there are bigger guys and there are smaller guys, which is perfectly normal/acceptable... size/weight will never be exactly identical... fighters can drop a division if they struggle with size, or jump a division of they struggle with weight

back in the day, jumping a division used to be common-place... a small lightweight jumping 1 division to fight a big welter, could be out-weighed by 15-20 pounds

[aboutfkntime]

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It's that simple folks. There's clearly a point where making weight gets so hard it negates the size advantage that you'd woud not have in the class above which is the reason you are fighting in the lower class.

nah, pretty much EVERY fighter campaigns at their lowest possible weight

it is the same for all

some guys are bigger than others... perfectly normal, and no big deal