5 fighters who would have beat Floyd Mayweather.

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Prime Emmanuel Augustus beats Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Prime Battling Nelson vs 135lb Floyd Mayweather Jr, Nelson would’ve literally killed Mayweather even in an actual boxing match with boxing rules. Mayweather isn’t ready to go 50 rounds and fight for hours.

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Armstrong a top 2 greatest swarmer of all time

He someone who could beat Floyd even as the much smaller man imo

I agree.

Mayweather is no where close to as good as any Featherweight-Welterweight that Armstrong fought. The swarming style that worked on those opponents, will be just as effective on Mayweather.

Look at past prime, 37 year old, 148lb, Mayweather vs the heavier, younger 165lb Marcos Maidana. Maidana swarmed Mayweather and was very successful in some parts in the first fight. Armstrong would be 1000% more successful because he's smaller and from the black and white era.

Also, Armstrong was only stopped twice in 22 losses. Mayweather was almost stopped a handful of times in 50 fights. Augustus, Mosley, Corley, Judah, almost knocked out Mayweather cold.

And while Armstrong lost only 22 times, Mayweather almost lost once to Jose Luis Castillo and we all know that should have been a loss. If 138lb Mayweather struggled with 147lb Castillo at 135lbs, then he won't survive 1 round with same day weigh in's and no such thing as rehydration vs 135lb Armstrong. Could Mayweather even make 135lbs in same day weigh in's? We all know HBO always lied about his real weight to cover up how gigantic Floyd was. It is very well known in the boxing community that Mayweather was at least 160lbs, at most 165lbs vs Marquez. Which is how he was able to beat JMM and take JMM's biggest punches like nothing.

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The hardest Floyd has ever been hit were by black fighters.

Mosley, Augustus, Judah, Corley.

Armstrong is a black fighter and he is even better and hits harder than any of those 4 above.

And while we're at it, Shane Mosley didn't stand a chance vs Armstrong from 135lbs to 154lbs.

Armstrong, with the fights taking place anywhere in todays little b/tch ass weights from 135 to 160, easily beats:

Jones Jr
Mosley
Leonard
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Duran
Forrest
Canelo
Hearns
Winky
Paul Williams
Hagler
GGG
Hopkins
Trinidad

Armstrong would go 15-0 with 15 KO's vs these fighters.

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Armstrong would swarm the hell out of Pernell Whitaker in a 5 round stoppage. Whitaker would look like a clown with his attempted elusiveness and defense which largely worked in his era, but would be no match for the black and white era fighters like Armstrong.

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Mayweather stopped Augustus. Augustus did not “beat the sh/t” out Mayweather. Stop it.

Mayweather commonly fought fighters who were 10+ lbs heavier as well. Their weight didn’t matter as he boxed circles around them.

Fantasy fights between current fighters and old fighters isn’t something i’m fond of talking because it’s not something that will happen. But the two full fights I saw of Armstrong, I saw someone who Mayweather would feast on.

Armstrong wouldn’t stand a chance fighting like that vs Mayweather, Pacquiao, Marquez, Canelo, GGG, etc. And you fake ass, pretentious ass fans need to stop with all of your fake ass bullsh/t saying these old black and white fighters are the sh/t because you think it will get you points from the rest of the pretentious *******s walking around here acting like they wtf they’re talking about.

Back in the f/cking day, sh/t was way different in every sport. What would be considered ordinary today, was extraordinary in the past.

Fastballs in the MLB in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, ranged from 80-86mph. At 86mph you were throwing heat. The fastest i’ve thrown, a non-MLB player, was 81mph, I was 19. Clearly I “******” as a pitcher, but I was a position player. There are 18 year olds today throwing 90mph. There are 21 year olds throwing 100mph. That’s right, the great Babe Ruth was smashing 80-86mph fast balls. And 65-78mph off speed pitches were the norm. I threw 65mph at 14 years old. I’m not a big, tall guy by any means. I do not have a pitchers body frame. I do have great arm strength from the outfield, but not good enough to be a pitcher for today’s standards. For the golden era? I’d have been an average pitcher, a typical pitcher, in the lower tier of MLB pitchers. But still a Major League pitcher. Today i’m a scrub.

What does baseball have to do with boxing? Any sport you look at in the past, MLB, NBA, NFL, you will see many, many inferior athletes to today. Ordinary things today, that won’t get you looked at twice by coaches and scouts, would’ve had scouts and coaches of the past jumping through the roof.

It’s an argument that will lead to nowhere. I know. Not many will agree with me. People are way too fixated on looking smarter than they are, appearing to know more than they do, and wanting to be in the in-crowd. Wanting to be accepted by their community, and you do that by agreeing with a community and supporting their beliefs. So no one is going to think logically.

I am roaming in a community that thinks that smaller, shorter HW’s of the past like 6’3” 215lb Muhammad Ali, would beat 6’9”, 270lb athletic giants of today like Tyson Fury. Ali was so much greater than a lot of the heavyweights of his time because he towered over them and was heavier than them, and was more athletic than them. When Ali finally met someone really good, and his height, and 5lbs heavier than him, it was a really tough fight, he took a beating but won. And that was 6’3” 220lb Foreman, another giant of Ali’s time. Ali and Foreman were so big for their time, that Foreman came back in the 1990s and was still a giant, bigger and taller than Holyfield and Moorer, and at 250-260lbs, not many HW’s of the 90s were as heavy or heavier. That gives you a perspective on how big and tall Ali and Foreman were for their time.

Armstrong was great, he is clearly an all time great. But he wouldn’t stand a chance, with his style, against many fighters of today. Fighters of his weight are just way more athletic. Way too athletic for him and his style.

You’re not getting it. Jabbing and keeping away from heavier men is not the same as pushing back(Literally pushing) and fighting bigger men for 15 rounds.
And yes, Augustus was a feather duster tee’ing off on Mayweather, who like Chavez, Mayweather never dropped him or really hurt him. Armstrong is obviously a better fighter than both. Better at everything. Better power, skill, IQ, defense, stamina, chin, pressure, infighter etc.

I don’t know why you’re giving me an “athletes are better now” talk. I’m not talking about some 1800’s joeschmoe’s taking up boxing, in Robinsons words “I train 10-11 months a year”. These guy’s fought weekly/monthly, you don’t think you gain anything from that? Training to jump farther and farther everyday with the incentive of knowing the world record to push that little bit further is not equivalent to boxing. No one is working on just punching as hard as possible all day. Have athletes improved across the board? I’d say yes, for a plethora of reasons, in reality likely less so than you realise and the outliers still exist and athletes improving across the board doesn’t mean Floyd beats Henry Armstrong. Duran and Leonard would still clean house at 147 today. And I can watch Armstrong and see he gives Mayweather fits. If you want to believe you are a superior specimen and everyone today is hitting harder, has a better chin than the black and white days, that is your perogative. I suggest you watch some of the murderer’s row, Hurricane Carter, Ray Robinson, prime Ezzard Charles etc if you want to see athletes.

A lot of these guy’s look like they are straight out of modern boxing.

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You’re not getting it. Jabbing and keeping away from heavier men is not the same as pushing back(Literally pushing) and fighting bigger men for 15 rounds.
And yes, Augustus was a feather duster tee’ing off on Mayweather, who like Chavez, Mayweather never dropped him or really hurt him. Armstrong is obviously a better fighter than both. Better at everything. Better power, skill, IQ, defense, stamina, chin, pressure, infighter etc.

I don’t know why you’re giving me an “athletes are better now” talk. I’m not talking about some 1800’s joeschmoe’s taking up boxing, in Robinsons words “I train 10-11 months a year”. These guy’s fought weekly/monthly, you don’t think you gain anything from that? Training to jump farther and farther everyday with the incentive of knowing the world record to push that little bit further is not equivalent to boxing. No one is working on just punching as hard as possible all day. Have athletes improved across the board? I’d say yes, for a plethora of reasons, in reality likely less so than you realise and the outliers still exist and athletes improving across the board doesn’t mean Floyd beats Henry Armstrong. Duran and Leonard would still clean house at 147 today. And I can watch Armstrong and see he gives Mayweather fits. If you want to believe you are a superior specimen and everyone today is hitting harder, has a better chin than the black and white days, that is your perogative. I suggest you watch some of the murderer’s row, Hurricane Carter, Ray Robinson, prime Ezzard Charles etc if you want to see athletes.

A lot of these guy’s look like they are straight out of modern boxing.

Who do you think wins at 147lbs, Armstrong or Pacquiao?

This is let's say in 2010. Armstrong takes a time machine to 2010 and fights 2010 Pacquiao at 147.

Who wins?

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Who do you think wins at 147lbs, Armstrong or Pacquiao?

This is let's say in 2010. Armstrong takes a time machine to 2010 and fights 2010 Pacquiao at 147.

Who wins?

It’s reasonable to think Pacquiao stands a better chance against Armstrong. He’s not the one that suffers when fighter’s are coming to him. He has the power, workrate and consistent movement to do much better than Mayweather.

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It’s reasonable to think Pacquiao stands a better chance against Armstrong. He’s not the one that suffers when fighter’s are coming to him. He has the power, workrate and consistent movement to do much better than Mayweather.

But who do you think wins between Pacquiao and Armstrong?

Not if Pacquiao stands a better chance to beat Armstrong than Mayweather does.

You are betting on this fight, you are betting $50k, and who knows how much you are going to win back because Pacquiao will most definitely be favored, understandably, but who knows what the odds are. You stand to lose $50k (you can afford to lose it, don't worry, it's imaginary). Who do you bet on?

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But who do you think wins between Pacquiao and Armstrong?

Not if Pacquiao stands a better chance to beat Armstrong than Mayweather does.

You are betting on this fight, you are betting $50k, and who knows how much you are going to win back because Pacquiao will most definitely be favored, understandably, but who knows what the odds are. You stand to lose $50k (you can afford to lose it, don't worry, it's imaginary). Who do you bet on?

I’d rather envision it in Armstrongs time. Who know’s how much bigger and devastating Armstrong would be after being exposed to today’s nutrition and steroids. I’d favor Pacquiao to beat Armstrong in a late TKO and Armstrong to beat Mayweather with a possible TKO Anywhere from 13-15.