Wilder's resume unpacked

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  • Chollo Vista
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    #81
    Originally posted by daggum
    lol yeah everything is a typo that you dont like! maybe ring magazine made a typo in their article saying he was #9! you never know!

    thank you. you admit you were wrong and took the L. great job.

    also i posted that as a general guide to show you the ranked guys he fought. it wasnt just to show you where stevens was ranked. you tried to nitpick one tiny thing and got owned in the process. great job
    Daggum, thanks for exposing the fact that before tonight's conversation, you had no idea how to properly source. Here, take a look. You have arrows and all LMAO



    And if I really want to get technical, you have 8 more sources to go. But since I know you struggle in this arena, don't worry about it. Just know next time someone asks for a source, don't send them bogus sources that contradict your story.

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      #82
      Originally posted by redmish
      Ortiz was never a top 5 heavyweight. You have to beat a top 5 heavyweight to be top 5. Name me 1 top 5 heavyweight he beat.
      Not true. He was top 5 ranked by ring and most of the sanctioning bodies. You just talking out of your ass.

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        #83
        Originally posted by daggum
        artur grigorian was champ for 7 and a half years. who is that you probably ask. exactly. guys used to hide out with their belts fighting bums but wilder brazenly did it in front of everyone
        Come on now. Until the last ten years the WBO belt was a belt for euro trash. The green belt is the best belt in boxing period.

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          #84
          Originally posted by Boxing_1013
          Say it louder.....
          He should ask that about Canelo over GGG for all the hate and bum talk Golovkin gets. Ask the same of Mayweather’s win over Canelo who was an even better version of himself when he fought GGG to a draw.

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            #85
            Originally posted by crold1
            I can give you the nine:

            By Cliff Rold - Using the ratings of the published issues of Ring Magazine, and the archived ratings of the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board (TBRB) since their debut in October 2012, and under the assumption they act as a reasonable gauge of the state of each of boxing’s seventeen weight divisions over the last decade, a select group...


            Golovkin

            Record Against Rated Opponents: 11-1-1

            Rated Opponents in the 2010s: TKO5 Grzegorz Proksa (Ring #9 - 160), TKO7 Gabrial Rosado (Ring Unrated/TBRB #10 - 154), KO3 Matthew Macklin (Ring #5/TBRB #6 - 160), RTD8 Curtis Stevens (Ring #9/TBRB Unrated - 160), TKO3 Daniel Geale (Ring #2/TBRB #5 - 160), KO2 Marco Antonio Rubio (Ring #8/TBRB Unrated), TKO11 Martin Murray (Ring #6/TBRB #4 - 160), TKO8 David Lemieux (Ring/TBRB #4 - 160), TKO5 Kell Brook (Ring/TBRB #1 - 147), UD12 Daniel Jacobs (Ring/TBRB #2 - 160), D12 Saul Alvarez (Ring Champion/TBRB #2 -160), L12 Saul Alvarez (Ring/TBRB Unrated* - 160), UD12 Sergey Derevyanchenko (Ring #6/TBRB #3 - 160)

            Wilder didn't make the top twenty for the decade but I scored him too. To date, he's 3-1-1 against fighters rated in the top ten of Ring or TBRB when he fought them:

            Stiverne (2 Ring/3 TBRB; first fight), Ortiz (5 both), Fury (7/8), Ortiz (5/6) and then Fury in his last fight was rated 1/2 with Wilder before their last fight.
            Hey Cliff, out of curiosity, what other fighters did you score, but not post?

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              #86
              Originally posted by Chollo Vista
              Hey Cliff, out of curiosity, what other fighters did you score, but not post?
              Everyone who made a P4P list for Ring or TBRB in the decade and the three most notable big name heavies who tend not to make those lists (Wilder, Fury, Vitali)

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                #87
                Originally posted by Froch_uppercut
                Excellent, quality, calmly delivered analysis of this guy's history.

                Really makes you realize what's gone on here with the hyping. Teddy Atlas spotted this years ago.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIaL0JmCVaE
                I've been saying for Y E A R S that literally Every. Single. PBC fighter. Is "decent". Not ONE elite guy in there.

                Deontay beat Ortiz twice, gift draw w/ Fury, and then KTFO

                Spence beat broken Brook (decent win), drew w/ C-level Porter, and has actively worked to avoid Crawford

                Thurman and Porter have always been C level guys.

                Gervonta is beating part time and over the hill guys while avoiding LomaGOAT

                Ruiz a 1 hit wonder/fatty

                Never seen an entire promotional roster of fighters versus SO MANY SCRUBS in my life

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                  #88
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                  Originally posted by Chollo Vista
                  Daggum, thanks for exposing the fact that before tonight's conversation, you had no idea how to properly source. Here, take a look. You have arrows and all LMAO



                  And if I really want to get technical, you have 8 more sources to go. But since I know you struggle in this arena, don't worry about it. Just know next time someone asks for a source, don't send them bogus sources that contradict your story.
                  And yet GGG has still only managed to fight 6 champions in 42 fights in an era with 4+ champions per weight class...and ONE of those "champs" was a 147 fighter at 160 lmfao

                  Dont need no arrows for that XD XD XD

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    artur grigorian was champ for 7 and a half years. who is that you probably ask. exactly. guys used to hide out with their belts fighting bums but wilder brazenly did it in front of everyone
                    It is still a very good win. Hype around Wilder was crazy, I mean, "the biggest puncher ever seen", "the most dangerous man in the world"...And Fury beat this guy like a dog, and took his belt and his 0.

                    Looks fine to me.

                    Fury will never get any credit from haters, whoever he beats. If he beats Joshua, they will say, Joshua is glass jawed Brit. If he beats Usyk, they will say Usyk is a cruiserweight. Dubois is young. Etc etc.

                    The same goes to Joshua.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
                      He should ask that about Canelo over GGG for all the hate and bum talk Golovkin gets. Ask the same of Mayweather’s win over Canelo who was an even better version of himself when he fought GGG to a draw.
                      Very true...and Canelo-GGG probably the best example of this scenario...GGG 'sucks' but Canelo is number 1 pfp...yet most feel GGG was the better man, at 35+ years old, in those 2 fights.

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