If Wilder KO’s Fury in the final installment, is he still a “bum?”

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I just took issue with you saying that Wilder would retire as the biggest joke in boxing if he lost to Fury a second time. I disagree, there's been plenty of bigger jokes in the sport. Khan, Haye, the list goes on. There's no shame in losing to an elite, potentially ATG fighter in Fury.

It is if the best opponent you defeated was Ortiz in a ten year span

I”ll make this easy for us , who is Ortiz best win and who did he defeat both times to get the Wilder fight ,can you answer the two questions ?

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It is if the best opponent you defeated was Ortiz .

I”ll make this easy for us , who is Ortiz best win and who did he defeat both times to get the Wilder fight ,can you answer the two questions ?

Ortiz is better than anyone Haye ever defeated at HW. He beat Jennings and a few other guys and passed the eye test as being a top 10 HW.

[Zelda]

Wilder is in a must win no matter how he wins . If he loses he will go down as one of the biggest jokes in boxing history ,if he wins it’s the only way to salvage his career .

Wilder will either go down as a legit contender or a clown who fooled the boxing public it’s just the situation here because of how he decided to take his career which really is a poor resume ,history will show that on top of that he will be known as the excuse king not the K.O king .

I don't think so.

It really depends on how Wilder performs. If Fury plays with him and KO him again, then yes...it is bad for Wilder. However, If Wilder shows some improvement, then even if he loses...it is just a loss to Fury.

A lot will also depend on how Fury plays out against others. If Fury loses to a streak of mid-level fighters (Whyte, Ortiz, Ruiz, Parker, etc.) then yes, the joke's on Wilder.

It will also depend on how Wilder fights against others. If Wilder wins against Ruiz, Usyk, AJ, Whyte then it is not that bad. If, however, Wilder starts losing against every other guy then yes...it is bad for him.

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Wilder only has one legit win worth note and I believe that guy is way over the age he’s claiming because I’m that age and then some . A Wilder loss would not only look that damaging again but he hasn’t defeated any actual proven fighter has he ?


If AJ loses it doesn’t matter he’s already avenged a loss and most would expect it again ,either way he’s fought the tougher guys in rotation which makes that harder to stay champion, we don’t know if Fury could do that if he fought a Wallin , AJ, Hrgovic, Povetkin, Whyte , Hunter , etc , etc ...because he hasn’t defended a title yet and doing it against Wilder doesn’t show me much because I gave Wilder a 20% chance to win the first time and even less the second ,now I don’t see it at all .

If Fury goes and dominates Joshua too it won't look bad at all. Fury is widely known as the most skilled guy and has the best win at heavyweight.

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Ortiz is better than anyone Haye ever defeated at HW. He beat Jennings and a few other guys and passed the eye test as being a top 10 HW.

Haye isn’t the subject ,your ducking the questions so here’s the answers .

1. Ortiz defeat Mike Martz and Hammer to get a shot .

2. He defeated Jennings 5 years ago . Do you know what year Wilder fought Ortiz ? It was 3 years later so it doesn’t even count , Ortiz best win after Jennings was who ?


Do you see how this just isn’t debatable and bringing up Ortiz medical issues makes it even worse . Ha

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If Fury goes and dominates Joshua too it won't look bad at all. Fury is widely known as the most skilled guy and has the best win at heavyweight.

Yea that’s logical ,one could have Fury at one or two . AJ hasn’t lost to the same guy 3 times however so in no way is it the same circumstances as Wilder .

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Haye isn’t the subject ,your ducking the questions so here’s the answers .

1. Ortiz defeat Mike Martz and Hammer to get a shot .

2. He defeated Jennings 5 years ago . Do you know what year Wilder fought Ortiz ? It was 3 years later so it doesn’t even count , Ortiz best win after Jennings was who ?


Do you see how this just isn’t debatable and bringing up Ortiz medical issues makes it even worse . Ha

I'm just saying that your point about Wilder going down as the biggest joke in boxing isn't fair.

Fury is in another league and you'll see when he demolishes AJ with ease, feel free to bookmark this.

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I don't think so.

It really depends on how Wilder performs. If Fury plays with him and KO him again, then yes...it is bad for Wilder. However, If Wilder shows some improvement, then even if he loses...it is just a loss to Fury.

A lot will also depend on how Fury plays out against others. If Fury loses to a streak of mid-level fighters (Whyte, Ortiz, Ruiz, Parker, etc.) then yes, the joke's on Wilder.

It will also depend on how Wilder fights against others. If Wilder wins against Ruiz, Usyk, AJ, Whyte then it is not that bad. If, however, Wilder starts losing against every other guy then yes...it is bad for him.

Losing to a guy 3 times is not good at all no matter how you spin that one.

Wilder will need some huge win to erase that and only one guy is there to do that his name is Joshua .

How is Fury losing to others a joke on Wilder ?

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As another poster wrote , if wilder is losing badly and still shows very poor boxing ability and then lands a right hand to put fury out yes he is still garbage and will get scorned by me.
Hang on a minute that is how he has boxed since day one and has manage to land that right hand to pull him out of the ****.
Guess what I said he was a terrible heavyweight then as well.
If fury uses his strength and rag dolls him again wilder has zero chance of winning the 3rd fight.....and if wilder just come’s out right hand crazy and just tries to end it quickly then who knows maybe he gets lucky with fury.
If wilder has not learnt the basics of boxing now in my view he ain’t going to learn them in now.
Wilder should be in that gym 24/7 as we speak if he is really serious about learning from his loss , not making videos pretending to be the next MALCOLM X and making I am your king and I will rise like a Phoenix speeches lol

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I'm just saying that your point about Wilder going down as the biggest joke in boxing isn't fair.

Fury is in another league and you'll see when he demolishes AJ with ease, feel free to bookmark this.

There’s nothing easy at all in that fight ,it’s a close one with AJ nearing his 25th fight ,that’s when heavyweights usually have that extra know how and if AJ gets 26 fights under him I favor him late in that fight .