Saul Alvarez VS Fab 4 Kings @ Middleweight

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SRL and Hagler definitely beat him. Leonard beats him wide on points, Hagler possibly forces a late stoppage.

I’d pick Hearns to outpoint him but Canelo could feasibly catch and stop him like Barkley did.

Just due to the massive size advantage I think Canelo would likely beat Duran by decision.

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15 rounds forget about Canelo he fades in twelve round fights.Canelo couldn’t stand the pressure from Ggg in the first fight and had to put on his track shoes .Hsglers pressure and iron chin would be to much in 12or15.Canelo is a great fighter but come on Hagler losing no way

Hagler struggled against guys who could box, move, and take a shot...anyone he fought that met that criteria in his career gave him trouble or beat him.

If you tried to go to war with Hagler, well not even Hearns or Mugabi could put a dent in him.

I would expect Canelo to fight Hagler smart and win the boxing match...but agreed that if it goes 15, who knows? We have never seen how Canelo would hold up through those last 3 rounds.

I think Canelo would fight Hagler similar to what SRL did, box and move and score points and pile up some rounds that way, and then some rounds slug it out with Hagler a little bit.

Neither guy has shown much vulnerability...Canelo 2 times vs GGG, once vs Jacobs, and once vs a faded Kov...Hagler once vs prime versions of Hearns and Mugabi...I would favor Hagler to be the more durable guy but who knows really.

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You could play that game with any of those guys man...besides Hearns, who did Hagler beat...his next best win is either a blown up Duran in 15 rounds in a close fight, or Mugabi who never beat anyone of note in his career (though I do think Marvin took something out of him that night)...Hagler also has 2 'bad' losses and then a rather embarrassing clear loss to SRL, who moved up 2 weight classes and was inactive for 3 years for that fight.

Hearns lost to Iran Barkley twice, once at MW...if Barkley could do it, surely Canelo would have a chance.

Druan is an ATG...at lightweight!! That's 25 pounds below 160...I don't see how anyone could say Canelo is anything less than a really good bet to beat Duran at 160.

SRL is an ATG, mainly for what he did at 147, and then his fight vs Hagler...I think that was SRL's only real fight at 160 anyway...unless you want to count his loss to Camacho.

So yeah I don't see how one doesn't give Canelo a good shot in all those fights...besides Hearns, he is probably the bigger man in all of those...by a good bit vs Duran, a decent amount vs SRL, and even a little bit vs Hagler.

Hagler would be undefeated if had the same protection alvarez had. Alvarez should have 3 losses not 1. Hagler should have beat leonard imo and in lot of peoples opinion Hagler beat hearns, duran, anfuermo, bennie briscoe, mugabi and avenged both losses and draws emphatically most importnt of all he beat these guys in their primes or when they went clearly well past it like a majority of alvarez best wins. Alvarez wouldnt last with hagler you think hed be able to back up someone like hagler? Lmao look what an old past it GGG was doing to canelo in the first fight. Canelo is flatfooted he doesnt dance around like srl and sugar ray seales could. He would be forced to stand and trade with hagler and he wouldnt win that fight. Get real

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Which ATGs has Canelo beat that make you think he'd even be able to compete with those guys?

His best win is close decision vs an old GGG.

Lets slow down the hype train.

Agreed but styles make fights.

Hagler beats Canelo UD

Canelo beats Hearns possibly stoppage

SRL beats Canelo but it may be more fun than most expect

Canelo beats Duran. Duran fights somewhat similar to GGG but hes the SMALLER fighter. Canelo would handle Durans aggression with little difficult as Duran is not regarded at MW

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Hagler would be undefeated if had the same protection alvarez had. Alvarez should have 3 losses not 1. Hagler should have beat leonard imo and in lot of peoples opinion Hagler beat hearns, duran, anfuermo, bennie briscoe, mugabi and avenged both losses and draws emphatically most importnt of all he beat these guys in their primes or when they went clearly well past it like a majority of alvarez best wins. Alvarez wouldnt last with hagler you think hed be able to back up someone like hagler? Lmao look what an old past it GGG was doing to canelo in the first fight. Canelo is flatfooted he doesnt dance around like srl and sugar ray seales could. He would be forced to stand and trade with hagler and he wouldnt win that fight. Get real

1) as mentioned, anyone who could box, move and take a punch gave Marvin problems or beat him...the reason why is because Marvin did not really box his way in, rather he lowered his head and was willing to take one or two to deliver one or two of his own.

We saw Duran employ that strategy very well, and Duran is a much smaller man...if Duran could last 12, I think a bigger Canelo could do it..also Canelo has shown good movement in his fights with Jacobs and GGG, much to my surprise..Canelo fits the bill, by anyone's definition, for being able to box, move and take a punch.

WMSr beat Hagler by tagging and moving around the ring as well...Watts beat Hagler by hitting and the holding/tying up Hagler when Hagler tried to walk his way in...early in Hagler's career, but still...guys who could box move and take a shot gave Hagler trouble just about every time...and guys worse than Canelo gave him trouble.

2) And let me put this in bold - Anyone who says Hagler should have won vs SRL, I don't take them seriously on boxing at all, no offense...there is no way to find 6+ rounds for Hagler in that fight...he was down 5-1 through 6 and the last 6 were competitive.

You either don't score fights or don't know how to score fights if you thought Hagler beat SRL.

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I’m going to get called a hater, but he would probably lose to all four.

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Hagler struggled against guys who could box, move, and take a shot...anyone he fought that met that criteria in his career gave him trouble or beat him.

If you tried to go to war with Hagler, well not even Hearns or Mugabi could put a dent in him.

I would expect Canelo to fight Hagler smart and win the boxing match...but agreed that if it goes 15, who knows? We have never seen how Canelo would hold up through those last 3 rounds.

I think Canelo would fight Hagler similar to what SRL did, box and move and score points and pile up some rounds that way, and then some rounds slug it out with Hagler a little bit.

Neither guy has shown much vulnerability...Canelo 2 times vs GGG, once vs Jacobs, and once vs a faded Kov...Hagler once vs prime versions of Hearns and Mugabi...I would favor Hagler to be the more durable guy but who knows really.

This is a great point. And for whatever reason people DO put Fab 4 on a pedestal where even suggesting a current fighter could compete is like an insult.

Floyd and Manny would hold their own versus ANY WELTERWEIGHT at ANY TIME in history. ANY.

I'm not saying Floyd or Manny are the best WWs ever, but they are both in the category of ATG and both are Top 25 fighters EVER.

Both Floyd and Manny would beat some fellow ATGs and lose some. They were both that good

...back on topic...it is feasible Canelo goes 1-3 or 2-2 against Fab 4. Really struggle to see him beat a physical ox like Hagler and I think SRL had too many wrinkles to his game for Canelo (like the Floyd fight)

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This is a great point. And for whatever reason people DO put Fab 4 on a pedestal where even suggesting a current fighter could compete is like an insult.

Floyd and Manny would hold their own versus ANY WELTERWEIGHT at ANY TIME in history. ANY.

I'm not saying Floyd or Manny are the best WWs ever, but they are both in the category of ATG and both are Top 25 fighters EVER.

Both Floyd and Manny would beat some fellow ATGs and lose some. They were both that good

...back on topic...it is feasible Canelo goes 1-3 or 2-2 against Fab 4. Really struggle to see him beat a physical ox like Hagler and I think SRL had too many wrinkles to his game for Canelo (like the Floyd fight)

Thanks...yeah I am not saying I am a complete boxing historian...but I feel like I have studied most great fighters and most eras...I have never quite understand the romanticizing of past fighters and eras, when the resumes and especially the film don't quite match up in my view to some praise they get.

Those 4 guys were great fighters...so is Canelo...and as you mentioned earlier, styles make fights...Barkley beat Hearns twice, Hagler had a couple bad losses early, Duran was an ATG at a weight 25 pounds below 160, and SRL was not exactly a career MW either...fair to wonder how Canelo would do against all 4, and fair to say he would have a good chance to win 1 or more of those fights.

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SRL and Hagler definitely beat him. Leonard beats him wide on points, Hagler possibly forces a late stoppage.

I’d pick Hearns to outpoint him but Canelo could feasibly catch and stop him like Barkley did.

Just due to the massive size advantage I think Canelo would likely beat Duran by decision.

I was going to post here but this is my exact post. Good job.

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I was going to post here but this is my exact post. Good job.

Great minds think alike...😂