Comments Thread For: Is Carl Froch Still Obsessed With Joe Calzaghe?

[DreamFighter]

Hopkins was the lineal champ at 175

he wasnt.
Hopkins did well to beat them two but they were both tail end. He had a magazine award.

Still a good win for Joe though, thats true, but mainly in light of him not having a good title level win outside Kessler for his entire career. YOu are right that it was a world level win, just not elite like 30something Hopkins would have been. Lets be honest - world level wins are what Joe should have been starting 10 years previous to this.

Calzaghe held the ring mag

what is the ring mag and what weight is it given? I dont think anyone has ever cared for it.
I think what you ACTUALLY MEAN is that you are struggling to give clazaghe some distinction so you are mentioning a non descript MAGA hat one.
At no point does anyone ever feel the need to give Froch a MAGA hat award.

Calzaghe best wins Eubank, Hopkins, undefeated Kessler, Reid, Lacy are AT LEAST as good as Ward's best wins, Kova, Froch, Kessler, Dawson, Abraham.

they are nowhere near. Ward eclipsed Calzaghes whole career best win kessler in his first ever title fight, when he was still "green ward" and left him for dust ever since.

It's fair to say that Froch who went life and death in most of his big fights,

its notfair to say that - its what you need to write in order to devalue Frochs obviously superior resume. In fact he beat Kessler by an equal margin to Joe under the same circumstances as Joe (home).
Outside that shared opponent, Joe had barely any other close fights because he was facing clowns whilst froch was facing world and eliters..of course they both go life and death at such a level.

Whats motivating you to lie so much, out of interest?

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Calzaghe would've beaten Froch in a fight, but personally, I was a Froch fan. Dude was the very definition of a warrior.

[thack]

Joe's timing to leave was perfect unbeaten, great career and then top it off with two 'legends' in their own back yards of America. I was fortunate enough to be there at MSG for the great one's departure knowing for sure after the heavy first round (forearm knock down!) it would be his last .Maybe Froch gets his confidence from this because in his prime Calzaghe would have played with Froch , of that I have no doubt!

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Until you address this post that you frantically ran away from, please stop quoting me:


Actually, I think it's you that needs the comprehension skills. The initial argument was you rated Joe so highly because he was a "lineal champ". Something I said wasn't impressive; hell, Carlos Baldomir was a lineal champ as was Pascal. I said if you really want to be impressive, than Joe should've became undisputed champ which he never was. You then proceeded to list all the belts Joe held at 168 as if that somehow made him "undisputed". That's how it started and was my overall point.

Can we move on from the weak lineal champ accomplishment?



Why do you keep using "undisputed #1"? Just say he was the #1 guy in the weight class. If you're going to say undisputed, it should only be used when referring to an undisputed champ. Language matters.

Secondly, after you said the above statement, I came back and agreed with you. I agreed with you with a caveat, that Joe reigned over a weak 168 lb division. In which it was. You can't be a fan of the sport and not admit that Joe was in a weak era? I mean Jeff Lacy was considered Mike Tyson of the weight class. Come on man.



Ok and if Hopkins was an elite win, than what does that make Jermaine Taylor? You still haven't answered that. Maybe it's because you know that will add an extra feather in Froch's cap

And yes I compared the Dirrel victory to show you how you can't discredit Froch's victory over Dirrel, while giving Joe full credit over Hopkins. Both were close and could've gone either way. If you're going to give Joe credit for his win because that's what the record says, you also have to do the same for Froch.



For one, you still haven't explaned what was so great about Kessler to make him, as you put it "elite" in the first place? No one ever heard of the guy before he fought Joe. And Kessler was no more done after he fought Froch the first time than Ward was after he fought Kovalev the 2nd time. Both fighters didn't take a great deal of punishment and could've easily continued their careers.

As for Hopkins, if you followed his career, you'd know that Hopkins was well over the hill, but resorted to clinching, headbutts, holding and slowing down opponents punch rate as a means of survival at that point. Both fights against Dawson showed that. Hell, the Wright fight showed where Hopkins was in his career.

But if how you judge a fighter is based off how well they did after losing to {insert predetermined fighter}, then:

Dirrel - went on to become the first to defeat Abraham who reigned supreme at MW for many years.

Taylor - Beat Jeff Lacy who's only loss was to Calzaghe. Also went on to win the IBF after losing to Froch

Groves - Won the WBA and beat Chris Eubank Jr after losing to Froch.

Pascal - Won the WBC x2 and the WBA while defeating Jack, Browne, Dawson and Diaconu to name a few. All the while becoming Lineal Champ, which is your favorite.

Remind me what Lacy, Woodhall, Eubank and Brewer did after losing to Joe?

Woodhall - Retired right after Calzaghe loss

Reid - Not a thing

Brewer - lol

Lacy - lol

Eubank - Ended up losing back to back fights and then retiring after losing to Joe

Again, what's your standard??? Make up you mind and stick to it.

And as far as your elite win, what did Kessler do after losing to Joe outside of splitting with Froch?



This is a silly point because as I've already told you, even Carlos Baldomir was the lineal champ. It's even sillier when we consider based off your own criteria, Joe Calzaghe didn't have an "elite" win until his 14 and 15 year of boxing.... Oh and get this, one of those elite wins came as a SD against a 43 year old Hopkins who was already beaten twice by Taylor.



No, I'm asking you to explain to me why Kessler was so elite; something I'm still waiting on you to do.

If I had to pick, Froch's win over Bute was more like Joe's win over Lacy.



Lol now you're saying Kessler was prime??

Secondly, you don't understand the difference between head to head and greater.

Oh and just because Kessler retired after he lost to Froch doesn't mean Kessler was over the hill. Froch retired after Groves and Ward retired after Kovalev. Were they over the hill? They were coming off their biggest wins yet chose to retire. Retirement doesn't alway mean shot to schit.



Relax dude, I'm just getting warmed up; meanwhile you're falling a part lol




I agree the evidence is there, which is why it makes sense for you to refuse to set the standard and change the goal posts.



So why are you quoting me again about a subject you tucked your tail in and ran from me for? Especially when you said I was on ignore and you would never do it?

Or was that your way of admitting defeat and a cop out to run away and duck?

You got an “F” on this essay.😂

Famous Mark Twain quote... look it up.

[Chollo Vista]

You got an “F” on this essay.😂

Famous Mark Twain quote... look it up.

You got a "T" for troll

Come back when you know your own requirement and grow nuts

[hugh grant]

No matter what Fitch did, jc was always favourite h2h. That alone is reason why Fitch wanted to prove doubters wrong. Jc didn't fancy it as he might not live up to expectations

[MulaKO]

Competitive for the first few rounds
Then Calzaghe would school Froch
And as you can see , Calzaghe has no need to bring up Froch but Froch just can’t get Joe out of his head
Calzaghe by a wide margin

[_Rexy_]

Antonio Tarver mentioned on social media last night that after he had beaten Clinton Woods in 08 he was supposed to fight Joe Calzhage next, but Joe's team didnt take the fight.

Would have loved to see that one

[Apollo7]

GTFOH...😂😂

Calzaghe was the undisputed #1 at 168. He held every title available at the weight including the lineal title during his career. Also holds the record number of defences (20) at the weight. Also went up to 175 and beat B-Hop for the Ring 175 title and he actually beat a Prime Kessler.

Froch was never #1 at 168 that was Ward another guy Froch is pathetically bitter about. He never beat a fighter as good as Prime Kessler or even 43 YO Hopkins.

Calzaghe has greater accomplishments, wins, longevity etc. The only thing even comparable is resume.

And no... nobody wants to see two Middle Aged men come out of retirement.

This.

There's a reason 95% of people would pick a prime Calzaghe over a prime Froch. Could have been a fun fight but Joe beats him. Joe was the better fighter, had the better wins, better accomplishments. End of story.

[Chollo Vista]

This.

There's a reason 95% of people would pick a prime Calzaghe over a prime Froch. Could have been a fun fight but Joe beats him. Joe was the better fighter, had the better wins, better accomplishments. End of story.

This clown RJJ GOAT went and grabbed his alt so he can quote himself