The truth about Mayweather

[BoloShot]

Floyd's got a very good resumé indeed but to claim he could've beaten anyone based on that is just not correct. He certainly didn't prove himself to the degree SRL did, SRL did unprecedented stuff in the ring.

[BoloShot]

The problem with this analysis is which version of Mayweather you would put them up against? When Mosely was younger, he was fast and strong, but not as smart as he was later in his career. A young Mayweather's hands were just a fast as Mosely, and his feet were better. Vernon Forest and Winky Wright beat a prime Mosely. De La Hoya had tough fights with Whitaker and Tito, and Sugar Ray couldn't beat Duran or Norris head to head in a boxing match. Duran couldn't beat Benitez or Pazienza in his prime either. As great as all these fighters were, they all struggled when they faced defensive fighters, movers and great boxers, and Mayweather is right up there with them in skill, IQ and stamina. The only ones to give him trouble (when he was without injury) were DeLa Hoya and Maidana, and that we know, but De La Hoya never seemed to have the ability to carry out the plan for the whole fight and Maidana didn't have the iq. All of them had a punchers chance, though.

Shame he never fought Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, Cory Spinks, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito or pretty much anyone who had a reach or defence that could match up to Mayweathers to some degree unless it was an old ODLH which was comparatively the biggest risk of his career. Also the first Castillo fight he just didn't win, I also wished he'd have fought outside his hometown. Hometown fighters are some of my least favorite because they know they get all the advantages they can in a fight, that often can make enough difference as to worsen someone's night in the ring.

[Luilun]

Sugar Ray Leonard would have knock Floyd out just like he did to his dad . Fought Delahoya as a shot fighter Mosley shot, Pacquaio shot and was gun shy after being knocked out by Marquez

[Monzon99]

Floyd was a fraud. A cheap counterfeit pretender who had the protection of the American establishment which needed a black champ to sell and profit on, as the new Leonard, Hagler, Ali, Curry, Hearns, Whitaker.

Floyd was rigged from 140 on up by Haymon HBO, then Showtime, with Sulaiman also on the take. Floyd's confidence was based on knowing he was a protected asset, he knew he was never going to have to fight anyone he didn't want to, who was not paid off.

His only real fight was Pacquiao because Moonves forced it. Floyd and Haymon actually intended to duck Pac forever. HBO realized it and dumped the fraud and espinoza and showtime picked up the garbage. Haymon manipulated espinoza to give them the 6 fight $150m contract with the tease that they would fight Pac. Though the plan was to duck Pac forever, too dangeorus.

Moonves forced it and so Haymon rigged the judges. Floyd boxed like a coward knowing if he just lasted 12 the judges were bought. Like Lewis Holy 1.

Floyd was a total fraud like Wilder. But he never had to face his Fury. Wilder didn't make money so he had to take a risk. Floyd did make money because he beat Oscar and Gatti. If Wilder made money he would have ducked Fury like he ducked Joshua and $120m.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

If Mosley is younger then Mayweather gets hit with a fight ending follow up barrage. It would change the entire conversation when people are ranking him. How can you overlook that and every other Mayweather opponent who could have been a step faster with each and every attack? It changes the outcome of every fight. In some cases the changes are slight, in others maybe not so much.

It’s a good resume but when people overlook the circumstances behind a lot of those wins and start talking like he’s top 5 all time, that’s where I take issue with it. I just really don’t see it.

Possibly but you could also argue Floyd still weathers the storm and outboxes a prime Mosley. His chin and powers of recovery were very good, I think it’s somewhat naive to just assume a prime Mosley would have stopped him. Several fighters hurt or buzzed Floyd and he always found a way.

I’m pretty sure Mosley was still ranked top 5 P4P by legitimate organisations such as Ring Magazine going into the Mayweather fight. It was still a very good win/performance IMO.

I dislike Mayweather as much as the next guy but I genuinely don’t believe a prime Pac, ODLH, Mosley etc would have beaten him. The only guys from around his weight I’d confidently pick to beathim are Robinson, Leonard and Hearns.

I see Mayweather as a 6-15 kind of guy, you’ll always get those sort of TMT weirdo’s who think he’s “TBE” but in reality those guys are just uneducated on the history of the sport.

What hurts Floyd’s legacy in comparison to other ATG’s is he doesn’t have the like of a prime Duran, prime Hearns, prime Benitez etc on the resume. He has similar incredible names like Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Mosley etc but none of those were at their peaks. Canelo is probably the closest he has to beating a truly great fighter at their peak.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The problem with this analysis is which version of Mayweather you would put them up against? When Mosely was younger, he was fast and strong, but not as smart as he was later in his career. A young Mayweather's hands were just a fast as Mosely, and his feet were better. Vernon Forest and Winky Wright beat a prime Mosely. De La Hoya had tough fights with Whitaker and Tito, and Sugar Ray couldn't beat Duran or Norris head to head in a boxing match. Duran couldn't beat Benitez or Pazienza in his prime either. As great as all these fighters were, they all struggled when they faced defensive fighters, movers and great boxers, and Mayweather is right up there with them in skill, IQ and stamina. The only ones to give him trouble (when he was without injury) were DeLa Hoya and Maidana, and that we know, but De La Hoya never seemed to have the ability to carry out the plan for the whole fight and Maidana didn't have the iq. All of them had a punchers chance, though.

Are you really bringing up SRL-Norris and Duran-Pazienza? Those fights are completely irrelevant man.

Are you really trying to say Duran was in his prime against Vinny Paz?

C’mon dude...😂

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Floyd's got a very good resumé indeed but to claim he could've beaten anyone based on that is just not correct. He certainly didn't prove himself to the degree SRL did, SRL did unprecedented stuff in the ring.

SRL has the best collection of wins in the history of the sport IMO.

Benitez 38-0
Duran 72-1 undefeated in 8 years.
Hearns 32-0
Hagler 62-2 undefeated in 11 years.

Unbelievable...

[megh50]

Are you really bringing up SRL-Norris and Duran-Pazienza? Those fights are completely irrelevant man.

Are you really trying to say Duran was in his prime against Vinny Paz?

C’mon dude...��

You got me...But I still don't think a 35-year-old Mayweather would have lost to Norris like Leonard did or that Pazienza would trouble Mayweather at any stage in his career. But, yeah Duran was like 43...bad math by me

[Chuckguy]

Mayweather’s resume is impeccable IMO. He fought a few guys who were past their best but he still beat very good versions of them regardless. He consistently fought and beat top level opponents for around 17 years. You have to give him credit for what he accomplished inside the ring even if he is a scumbag outside of the ring.

It’s completely unfair to compare his record to Wilder’s tbh man.

Dude no just no
He was a beast pre Oscar post Oscar ALL of his fights were very calculated risks

[megh50]

SRL has the best collection of wins in the history of the sport IMO.

Benitez 38-0
Duran 72-1 undefeated in 8 years.
Hearns 32-0
Hagler 62-2 undefeated in 11 years.

Unbelievable...

No disagreement here, those guys not only fought the best, but they fought multiple hall of Famers