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  • Lennox and Holy are the bosses of 90s.

    Lennox beat Holy and old Tyson and many others

    Holy beat Tyson 2x, old Foreman, old Holmes also and many others

    Than you have Bowe, Foreman, Mike and others.

    And, yeah, prime Mike Tyson if from 80s.

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    • If you take away Holyfield’s win or name you get Ferguson, Dokes , Hide to credit Bowe in title defenses . You then look at the Golota debacle and have to wonder does also the no contest with Mathis jr, change anything ? Nope , Can’t believe this thread is still going with an undefeated guy having Klitschko on his resume and having held all belts including the ring to that of circus ride Bowe .

      There’s no question Bowe had the more exciting career filled with garbage cans , MSG riots and parachute crashes even tag teaming a guy out of the ring from the top rope but he did not have the better career where Fury won twice ,no three times in someone’s own arena and has yet to lose .

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      • Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
        None of those guys are anything special, got beaten by average fighters and generally not championship level. Not counting holmes.

        It's actually exposing mike's resume that those are the guys you mention as proof he could beat a prime klitschko

        Mentioning purrity etc has nothing to do with Klitschko at his best.

        No, Holmes' era was not ended by Mike, it was ended by Spinks. Who then took years out of the ring, only took the fight for money when he was basically retired and admitted he was scared before the fight.

        Klitschko beat strong fighters and skilled fighters like Samuel Peter, Chris Byrd, Brewster, Povetkin, Chagaev, David Haye.

        All 6ft to 6ft3.

        Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker tbh.
        More like shows just how good his resume is. You calling Klitschko's opponents strong and fast whilst rubbishing Tyson's just shows your lack of knowledge tbh.

        But let's have a look:
        Frank Bruno - former world champion, was outboxing Lennox until he was stopped. Could Klitschko or his opponents do that? He also holds a victory over Oliver McCall.

        Tony Tucker - was 34-0 when he met Tyson. Went the distance with Lennox is a very good fight. Could Klitschko or his opponents do that?
        Also holds victories over McCall and Douglas.

        Larry Holmes you already know and didn't dispute.

        Tyrell Biggs was an Olympic gold medalist having beaten Lennox Lewis in the final. Didn't make it to the top as a pro but had some good fights including and very competitive fight against Rid**** Bowe. He shared the ring with 3 ATG's in Tyson, Lewis and Bowe. How many has Klitschko or his opponents?

        Donovan Ruddock didn't really have amazing wins but had some solid opponents on his resume.

        Your noted opponents for Klitschko might be 6'0 - 6'3 but all the guys I mentioned are 6'3 plus.

        Why are those loses for Klitschko irrelevant? Cause it doesn't suit your agenda? I gave Douglas credit for beating Mike.

        Spinks was the one who beat Holmes but Spinks wasn't the great from that era. It was Holmes. Either way Mike beat both.

        Still trying to figure out where Klitschko was in the time of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis etc

        Even as old men Klitschko wasn't fit to share a ring with them.

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        • Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
          More like shows just how good his resume is. You calling Klitschko's opponents strong and fast whilst rubbishing Tyson's just shows your lack of knowledge tbh.

          But let's have a look:
          Frank Bruno - former world champion, was outboxing Lennox until he was stopped. Could Klitschko or his opponents do that? He also holds a victory over Oliver McCall.

          Tony Tucker - was 34-0 when he met Tyson. Went the distance with Lennox is a very good fight. Could Klitschko or his opponents do that?
          Also holds victories over McCall and Douglas.

          Larry Holmes you already know and didn't dispute.

          Tyrell Biggs was an Olympic gold medalist having beaten Lennox Lewis in the final. Didn't make it to the top as a pro but had some good fights including and very competitive fight against Rid**** Bowe. He shared the ring with 3 ATG's in Tyson, Lewis and Bowe. How many has Klitschko or his opponents?

          Donovan Ruddock didn't really have amazing wins but had some solid opponents on his resume.

          Your noted opponents for Klitschko might be 6'0 - 6'3 but all the guys I mentioned are 6'3 plus.

          Why are those loses for Klitschko irrelevant? Cause it doesn't suit your agenda? I gave Douglas credit for beating Mike.

          Spinks was the one who beat Holmes but Spinks wasn't the great from that era. It was Holmes. Either way Mike beat both.

          Still trying to figure out where Klitschko was in the time of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis etc

          Even as old men Klitschko wasn't fit to share a ring with them.
          The fact that you mention Larry holmes says it all. We both know what state he was in, and that's why I didn't bother commenting.

          Biggs, tucker, ruddock, bruno who i'm a fan of btw, I mean let's be honest they are nothing special and they were also nothing special at the time.

          Mike's resume, and I say this as a fan, is one of the weakest of any dominating champion in history aside from Marciano maybe.

          He has never beaten anyone on Klitschko's level and that's a fact.

          The klitschko's were in the Olympics when Tyson fought and lost twice to holyfied. After that Mike never fought any serious opponents until Lewis, and they were europeans working their way up.

          I'm sure you understand that.. and did you forget that one of the klitschko's did fight Lewis and didn't do too bad?
          Last edited by LacedUp; 05-02-2020, 04:45 AM.

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          • Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
            The fact that you mention Larry holmes says it all. We both know what state he was in, and that's why I didn't bother commenting.

            Biggs, tucker, ruddock, bruno who i'm a fan of btw, I mean let's be honest they are nothing special and they were also nothing special at the time.

            Mike's resume, and I say this as a fan, is one of the weakest of any dominating champion in history aside from Marciano maybe.

            He has never beaten anyone on Klitschko's level and that's a fact.

            The klitschko's were in the Olympics when Tyson fought and lost twice to holyfied. After that Mike never fought any serious opponents until Lewis, and they were europeans working their way up.

            I'm sure you understand that.. and did you forget that one of the klitschko's did fight Lewis and didn't do too bad?
            Just like I thought, you offered NOTHING of substance. I pointed out that resume of Mike's opponents and what they've accomplished comparing it too the great of the era in Lennox Lewis. You offered nothing.

            The guys you mentioned haven't done anything as good as Mike's opponents besides Byrd who had a victory over Vitali.

            I've already pointed out that Holmes went on to beat Ray Mercer 4 years after losing to Tyson when he was 41. Can't be too bad right? Especially since he arguably went on to beat Lennox Lewis.

            If you think so low of Mike's resume but stand to defend Klitschko then you clearly don't know boxing.

            Klitschko in the year 2000 was already a world champion having beaten Byrd who had beaten Klitschko's older brother for the title. There was talks of him fighting Lennox but then he got flattened by Sanders. They wearn't on their way up, they were already champions that just wearn't good enough to hang with the likes of Lennox and Tyson.

            It's funny how you down play Mike beating Holmes but want to talk about Vitali's performance against Lennox Lennox was at the end of his career by then and fat and old, fact he didn't even fight again after that and Vitali still couldn't beat him atleast Holmes went on to fight and secure some good wins.

            But what's funnier here is you, trying to give Vitali's accomplishments to Wladamir like they're one entity

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            • Originally posted by REDEEMER View Post
              If you take away Holyfield’s win or name you get Ferguson, Dokes , Hide to credit Bowe in title defenses . You then look at the Golota debacle and have to wonder does also the no contest with Mathis jr, change anything ? Nope , Can’t believe this thread is still going with an undefeated guy having Klitschko on his resume and having held all belts including the ring to that of circus ride Bowe .

              There’s no question Bowe had the more exciting career filled with garbage cans , MSG riots and parachute crashes even tag teaming a guy out of the ring from the top rope but he did not have the better career where Fury won twice ,no three times in someone’s own arena and has yet to lose .
              Woah RIP Bowe. Fatality ^^^^^^^

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              • Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
                Just like I thought, you offered NOTHING of substance. I pointed out that resume of Mike's opponents and what they've accomplished comparing it too the great of the era in Lennox Lewis. You offered nothing.

                The guys you mentioned haven't done anything as good as Mike's opponents besides Byrd who had a victory over Vitali.

                I've already pointed out that Holmes went on to beat Ray Mercer 4 years after losing to Tyson when he was 41. Can't be too bad right? Especially since he arguably went on to beat Lennox Lewis.

                If you think so low of Mike's resume but stand to defend Klitschko then you clearly don't know boxing.

                Klitschko in the year 2000 was already a world champion having beaten Byrd who had beaten Klitschko's older brother for the title. There was talks of him fighting Lennox but then he got flattened by Sanders. They wearn't on their way up, they were already champions that just wearn't good enough to hang with the likes of Lennox and Tyson.

                It's funny how you down play Mike beating Holmes but want to talk about Vitali's performance against Lennox Lennox was at the end of his career by then and fat and old, fact he didn't even fight again after that and Vitali still couldn't beat him atleast Holmes went on to fight and secure some good wins.

                But what's funnier here is you, trying to give Vitali's accomplishments to Wladamir like they're one entity
                The guys I mentioned were all world champions.

                No, I mentioned Vitali's fight against Lewis because YOU said "where were the Klitschko's?" as in plural. You didn't say Wladimir Maybe you should think a bit longer before posting.

                Why do you say "Lennox and Tyson" when those two were on completely different levels when the Klitschko's were on that level, and THEY did in fact have an even fight with Lewis

                Hilarious comparing Larry holmes, twice defeated by a light heavyweight and out of the ring for years to the sitting undisputed heavyweight champion.

                You're clutching at straws, and it's embarrassing to speak with Tyson fanboys.

                Aside from klitschko and wilder fanboys, Tyson fanatics are the third most embarrassing group of fans that exist.

                I mean, you literally just bigged up Tyrell Biggs. haha.

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                • Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                  The guys I mentioned were all world champions.

                  No, I mentioned Vitali's fight against Lewis because YOU said "where were the Klitschko's?" as in plural. You didn't say Wladimir Maybe you should think a bit longer before posting.
                  Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
                  Still trying to figure out where Klitschko was in the time of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis etc

                  Even as old men Klitschko wasn't fit to share a ring with them.
                  Put down the crack pipe, you'e imagining things again. I said Klitschko not Klitschko's.

                  So what if they were world champions? Is that the comparison you want to make cause I can I too can list more fighters that Mike beat hat were champions.

                  But why not take it one step further, how many lineal champion (the highest honor in heavyweight boxing), did Klitschko beat?

                  Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                  Why do you say "Lennox and Tyson" when those two were on completely different levels when the Klitschko's were on that level, and THEY did in fact have an even fight with Lewis
                  Lol THEY? It was ONE of them that fought Lewis crackhead and exactly what level was everyone on at the time?

                  Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                  Hilarious comparing Larry holmes, twice defeated by a light heavyweight and out of the ring for years to the sitting undisputed heavyweight champion.

                  You're clutching at straws, and it's embarrassing to speak with Tyson fanboys.

                  Aside from klitschko and wilder fanboys, Tyson fanatics are the third most embarrassing group of fans that exist.

                  I mean, you literally just bigged up Tyrell Biggs. haha.
                  Lol Lennox was basically retired. He also had time off from his last fight and was already contemplating retirement. Holmes had almost 2 years off whilst Lewis had year off. The difference was Lennox went on to retire whilst Holmes went on to beat LL's hardest ever opponent.

                  FACT he never fought again.
                  FACT he came in at a career high.

                  You're a joke, just as bad as the Klitards.
                  Last edited by kiDynamite92; 05-02-2020, 06:12 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
                    Put down the crack pipe, you'e imagining things again. I said Klitschko not Klitschko's.

                    So what if they were world champions? Is that the comparison you want to make cause I can I too can list more fighters that Mike beat hat were champions.

                    But why not take it one step further, how many lineal champion (the highest honor in heavyweight boxing), did Klitschko beat?
                    Why does that matter?
                    Lewis retired so he had to create new lineage which he did.

                    Unfortunately there wasn't a retired light heavyweight lineal champion around for him to beat.


                    Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
                    Lol THEY? It was ONE of them that fought Lewis crackhead and exactly what level was everyone on at the time?
                    I never said anything other than that

                    Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
                    Lol Lennox was basically retired. He also had time off from his last fight and was already contemplating retirement. Holmes had almost 2 years off whilst Lewis had year off. The difference was Lennox went on to retire whilst Holmes went on to beat LL's hardest ever opponent.
                    Totally untrue. Lewis was not retired whereas Holmes was. Well documented, even holmes himself said it.

                    Are you trying to say you know better than Larry holmes himself?

                    Tyson fanatics are hilarious.

                    Originally posted by kiDynamite92 View Post
                    FACT he never fought again.
                    FACT he came in at a career high.

                    You're a joke, just as bad as the Klitards.
                    I never said he came in his best shape. But that doesn't mean he was retired.

                    I'm a joke but you're trying to tell me Tyrell biggs was a top name? haha. I remember tyrell biggs losing to the british champion.

                    That's the level of one of Tyson's so called best wins.

                    Hilarious.

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                    • Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                      Why do you say "Lennox and Tyson" when those two were on completely different levels when the Klitschko's were on that level, and THEY did in fact have an even fight with Lewis
                      Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                      I never said anything other than that
                      Are you back on the drugs again? You just talked about the 'Klitschko's' and then said 'THEY did infact have an even fight with Lewis'. Are they a singular entity or something?


                      Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
                      Why does that matter?
                      Lewis retired so he had to create new lineage which he did.

                      Unfortunately there wasn't a retired light heavyweight lineal champion around for him to beat.




                      I never said anything other than that



                      Totally untrue. Lewis was not retired whereas Holmes was. Well documented, even holmes himself said it.

                      Are you trying to say you know better than Larry holmes himself?

                      Tyson fanatics are hilarious.



                      I never said he came in his best shape. But that doesn't mean he was retired.

                      I'm a joke but you're trying to tell me Tyrell biggs was a top name? haha. I remember tyrell biggs losing to the british champion.

                      That's the level of one of Tyson's so called best wins.

                      Hilarious.
                      It matters because it shows that they could defeat the best from the previous era. It's funny how you talk down Spinks but talk up Haye and Bird who were middleweights and cruiserweights! Also need I remind you about how much Holyfield accomplished in boxing and he started his career as a light heavyweight? Klitschko couldn't compete with the previous era, that's why he could never win the lineal title.

                      Slow down and read what I wrote again. I said he was basically retired. After beating Mike Tyson, the guy who he always wanted to beat, he admitted he's going to find it hard to get up for another fight and a rematch with Tyson doesn't excite him either and was contemplaining retirement. This was before the Klitschko fight.

                      After beating Mike he spent 1 year out of the ring. He wasn't officially retired but inactive for that long and contemplating retirement.

                      I never disputed that Holmes retired. Even if you retire you can come back and still be a great boxer, how can you not understand this concept? I just said to you after losing to Mike he went on to beat Ray Mercer, something which you haven't even addressed.

                      You're calling Tyrell Biggs a joke, who exactly did Sam Peters beat lol? adding to that Haye was got KO'd in the cw division by an old man whilst Brewster lost to two nobidies before he fought Klitschko, including Etiene who Mike had KO'd :lol1;

                      You actually are delusional

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