Can we say that Usyk is arguably the greatest cruiserweight ever

[Nay_Sayer]

How could you possibly rate James Toney above Usyk at Crusierweight?

I personally think an argument can be made that's Toney's win over Jirov is better than any single win on Usyk's resume.

[BoloShot]

Other than both being aggressive and short for a HW no, I don't see many similarities at all between Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson.

One's a 15 round, cardio machine who fights out a shell or parrying slipping and gets inside and works away there, with positioning etc and chops his opponent down and the other is a very explosive, powerful mid range fighter who fights out or a peak a boo style. Who also doesn't so any work on the inside, he holds when the fight goes inside so he can return to mid range and work.

I would probably suggest you do more research

I've watched so much of both and yes, there are physical differences in how they fight because they were different physically. But the footwork, punch selection, head and upper body movement is all the same or similar. He may have not kept his head directly in the opponents chest like Frazier did as often but he liked to fight up close too, he was a mid range to close range fighter. The cardio is also a massive difference, surprised I didn't mention it actually but that's true at least. Tyson was way too reliant on getting his opponents out of there early.

[IronDanHamza]

I personally think an argument can be made that's Toney's win over Jirov is better than any single win on Usyk's resume.

There is literally no argument what so ever of that being the case.

Even if there was (there isn't), one single win can't logicially outweigh all the top wins Usyk has.

[Nay_Sayer]

There is literally no argument what so ever of that being the case.

I've never thought very highly of Usyk's opposition. So yes, there is an argument to be made.

Even if there was (there isn't), one single win can't logicially outweigh all the top wins Usyk has.

So who made such an argument? I sure as hell didn't..

[IronDanHamza]

I've never thought very highly of Usyk's opposition. So yes, there is an argument to be made.


So who made such an argument? I sure as hell didn't..

You never thought highly of his opposition even though he cleaned out the division?

Jirov isn't all that good anyway. Never beat anyone of any note in his career and Toney didn't dominate either.

[Nay_Sayer]

You never thought highly of his opposition even though he cleaned out the division?

There is nothing extraordinary about taking out a load of trash.

Jirov isn't all that good anyway. Never beat anyone of any note in his career and Toney didn't dominate either.

That actually sounds a lot like Usyk's career..

[Chrismart]

He has a case for sure. Him or Holyfield.

[IronDanHamza]

There is nothing extraordinary about taking out a load of trash.


That actually sounds a lot like Usyk's career..

How is the entire current Crusirweight division trash?

Like I said, Jirov did nothing of note as a pro. To rank having a win over him meaning he's above Usyk is just illogical in every way.

[Nay_Sayer]

How is the entire current Crusirweight division trash?

Cruiserweight has historically been one of if not the weakest division in all of boxing. Typically it's been full of guys too lazy to make LHW or guys too small to compete with the top 15 @ HW. That's always been true for CW as it is today. It's a division for utter trash.

Like I said, Jirov did nothing of note as a pro. To rank having a win over him meaning he's above Usyk is just illogical in every way.

So who made that argument?

[MrRolltide91]

He's in the conservation