Let's settle it. Are Golovkin and Crawford the same, just different weight classes?

[Combat Talk Radio]

You compared him to Broner and that was what I was replying to

my reply to the GGG comparison is Crawford is a 3 division champion and GGG refused to ever move up

And my point is to say that being a 3-division champion doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. Anybody can be a multiple division champion. It doesn't matter.

Additionally, it's about what have you done LATELY? Which for both guys is nothing.

Crawford is undefeated, lineal @ 135, 140 and a titlist in 3 divisions. More importantly, Crawford's best wins were dominant - not questionable like Bumlovkin's. Crawford has the better resume, easily.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Golovkin ever getting dropped (even if the ref refused to call it such).

Plus, you got to put things in perspective.

When you're facing guys like Jacobs, Derevyanchenko and Carnelo...you know...guys that are actually THREATS...if you do win, it's close and competitive because you're in there with the top of the class.

But when you're facing guys with one leg and damn near get taken the distance...

Or you're so threatened by a guy you refuse to fight him in his backyard and then make up a phony hand injury to throw off his fight camp and travel plans...

Or you're forced to resort to low blowing a guy that got sparked out in his prime by a top guy with ease...

Or you get two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by a guy that nobody can pronounce his name correctly (even ESPN)...

Of course you're going to look like you're doing something. Because you're not even TRYING to fight top talent. You're sparking the B-level and looking terrible in doing so.


Sorry dude, it's not close to me. IN terms of RESUME...Golovkin's got Crawford beat by a country mile because Golovkin at least TRIED against three top opponents and beat two of them, arguably beat the third in the first fight.

Where Crawford has Golovkin beat is just on reputation. Crawford has never made fun of a Mexican only to get walked down by that same Mexican to the point his Mexican trainer acknowledges the opponent. Crawford has never run out of the ring crying. But that's all Crawford can say right now and we don't know how he'd handle getting beat by Porter or Danny AGAIN (thus the reason for the duck).

[Shadoww702]

I feel GGG and Wilder or more alike. Both destroyed bums! And advertised as the hardest hitter and boxing. Get a fighter not afraid of them and mythbusted!

[Shadoww702]

And my point is to say that being a 3-division champion doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. Anybody can be a multiple division champion. It doesn't matter.

Additionally, it's about what have you done LATELY? Which for both guys is nothing.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Golovkin ever getting dropped (even if the ref refused to call it such).

Plus, you got to put things in perspective.

When you're facing guys like Jacobs, Derevyanchenko and Carnelo...you know...guys that are actually THREATS...if you do win, it's close and competitive because you're in there with the top of the class.

But when you're facing guys with one leg and damn near get taken the distance...

Or you're so threatened by a guy you refuse to fight him in his backyard and then make up a phony hand injury to throw off his fight camp and travel plans...

Or you're forced to resort to low blowing a guy that got sparked out in his prime by a top guy with ease...

Or you get two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by a guy that nobody can pronounce his name correctly (even ESPN)...

Of course you're going to look like you're doing something. Because you're not even TRYING to fight top talent. You're sparking the B-level and looking terrible in doing so.


Sorry dude, it's not close to me. IN terms of RESUME...Golovkin's got Crawford beat by a country mile because Golovkin at least TRIED against three top opponents and beat two of them, arguably beat the third in the first fight.

Where Crawford has Golovkin beat is just on reputation. Crawford has never made fun of a Mexican only to get walked down by that same Mexican to the point his Mexican trainer acknowledges the opponent. Crawford has never run out of the ring crying. But that's all Crawford can say right now and we don't know how he'd handle getting beat by Porter or Danny AGAIN (thus the reason for the duck).

To be fair is you compare resume’s both up to 31 years old Crawford blows ggg’s out by a mile!!!

The division was dog sht up until just recently. I think when ggg was like 33/34 did the division get hot. Go back and look at the guys he fought before 31 years old which is how old Crawford is now. I can see him getting a bunch of good fights in before 37 years old.

[Slicedbread]

Let's analyze this.

GGG was HEAVILY hyped by HBO.
Crawford was HEAVILY hyped by ESPN and HBO.


GGG once said he'd fight anyone from 154 to 168. Then didn't do it.
Crawford said he could fight at 140 right now or go up to 154. Hasn't done it.


GGG's fans said Carnelo - actually everyone in the division was ducking him. Until G fought Jacobs and barely sc****d a win.
Crawford's fans said that Spence - actually everyone in the division - was ducking him. Until Crawford fought Kavaliauskas and got two-pieced, wobbled and dropped.


G got called out by Charlo, Saunders, Eubank, Ward and a whole host of others that would be considered threats. Never fought any of them.
Crawford has been called out by Danny 'Swift', Shawn Porter, Keef Thurman, etc. all of which would be considered threats. Never fought any of them.


G's fans say that it's because G was ducked "in his prime" and now he's "old" - despite the fact that G has not lost since losing to Carnelo.
Crawford's fans say it's that Crawford is being ducked "in his prime" and he's getting "old" - despite the fact that Crawford has not lost.


People try to call out G's low level of opposition. His fans say "because he's being DUCKED doe!"
People try to call out Crawford's low level of opposition. His fans say "because he's being DUCKED doe!"



NSB. For the first time in a long time...you are finally consistent.

My opinion: as of now GGG has definitely fought MUCH better competition and proved himself to be better.

However,I think Crawford has a much higher ceiling and potential to be better if he fights better competition. Not entirely his fault though.

[Combat Talk Radio]

My opinion: as of now GGG has definitely fought MUCH better competition and proved himself to be better.

However,I think Crawford has a much higher ceiling and potential to be better if he fights better competition. Not entirely his fault though.

Again, Golovkin is way older yet hasn't been dropped like Crawford was, much less by a significant underdog.

We no longer can say that age is a big factor. The reality is that Crawford's career has been largely protected - which is fine. I just don't support the greatness narrative until and unless he does what he needs to do, which is to give up paydays to fight the best in the division. Once he's done that, paydays will come.

He's doing it the Tim Bradley way - but even Tim by now had already faced significantly better competition and only ever lost to the second best guy. The 2000 version of Junior Witter decimates Crawford's entire resume and takes him to the limit even in loss.

[Nay_Sayer]

Same level of opponent Crawford beat.

Crawford doesn't have a LOSS like your hero does.

Crawford > Bumlovkin

[Nay_Sayer]

Shut up fkucktard u don't know s**** about boxing

Butt hurt much?

[Slicedbread]

Again, Golovkin is way older yet hasn't been dropped like Crawford was, much less by a significant underdog.

We no longer can say that age is a big factor. The reality is that Crawford's career has been largely protected - which is fine. I just don't support the greatness narrative until and unless he does what he needs to do, which is to give up paydays to fight the best in the division. Once he's done that, paydays will come.

He's doing it the Tim Bradley way - but even Tim by now had already faced significantly better competition and only ever lost to the second best guy. The 2000 version of Junior Witter decimates Crawford's entire resume and takes him to the limit even in loss.

You definitely make fair points I agree with most.

I don't think it's entirely Crawford fault as to why his competition has been so lackluster.

[Nay_Sayer]

And my point is to say that being a 3-division champion doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. Anybody can be a multiple division champion. It doesn't matter.

Oh really? If that's true then WHY hasn't Bumlovkin won titles in multiple weight classes?

When you're facing guys like Jacobs, Derevyanchenko and Carnelo...you know...guys that are actually THREATS...if you do win, it's close and competitive because you're in there with the top of the class.

Well, Bumlovkin in fact DID *lose* to Alvarez and lots of people thought he lost to Jacobs and Derev.

But when you're facing guys with one leg and damn near get taken the distance...

Crawford moved up to and *cleaned out* 140. Exactly how many weight classes has Bumlovkin moved up to *and* cleaned out?

Sorry dude, it's not close to me. IN terms of RESUME...Golovkin's got Crawford beat by a country mile because Golovkin at least TRIED against three top opponents and beat two of them, arguably beat the third in the first fight.

LOL

Top Opponents? Jacobs and Derev are good fighters, no question, but they aren't world beaters and certainly are no better than Crawford's best wins.

Wake me when Bumlovkin moves up to 168 to win both the lineal and undisputed titles - like Crawford did @ 140. Maybe then you Bumlovkin nuthuggers will have a case. MAYBE.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Top Opponents? Jacobs and Derev are good fighters, no question, but they aren't world beaters and certainly are no better than Crawford's best wins.

....wait a minute.

Are you SERIOUSLY saying...no, you can't be.

You're saying that Danny Jacobs is "no better" than Jeff Horn?

Sergiy Derevyanchenko is "no better" than Yuriorkis Gamboa?

You're not saying that, right?