Comments Thread For: WBSS Fantasy Tournament: Mike Tyson Blasts George Foreman in Four

[fistic flow]

For me, it's different watching a fighter rise to the top live than it is looking back before you were born and assessing fighters through archived footage.

My initial take is this. Mike Tyson was an unbeatable monster in his prime. After witnessing his destruction of Spinks first hand, I really realized this.

In the 90's, when I finally got a hold of old footage of Frazier in the 90's, I really didn't see how he compared to Mike. He was smaller, slower and less powerful... And I thought Mike had a better chin.

When I take that into consideration, I see a lot of mistakes Big George would make. He would punch wide winging shots with both hands down. To me, I would see Prime Mike, simply catching and shooting and catching George flush on the chin, time after time.

I don't know how many flush shots Big George can take, but i do know Ron Lyle had him down and out several times in the fight.

For me, Tyson would take it. He was a bigger, stronger, faster and more powerful version of Frazier.

Head to head, I even think Prime Mike would've beat Ali... Why not? Frazier did it.

Tyson was awesome to watch, no doubt. But the intimidation wouldn't have been there v Foreman. Big George's sheer physicality would have been a problem for Tyson who don't forget had trouble with Bonecrusher and Tucker. If you're going to judge George post-Ali with Lyle, then do it post-Douglas for Tyson.

[Hands of Stone]

For me, it's different watching a fighter rise to the top live than it is looking back before you were born and assessing fighters through archived footage.

My initial take is this. Mike Tyson was an unbeatable monster in his prime. After witnessing his destruction of Spinks first hand, I really realized this.

In the 90's, when I finally got a hold of old footage of Frazier in the 90's, I really didn't see how he compared to Mike. He was smaller, slower and less powerful... And I thought Mike had a better chin.

When I take that into consideration, I see a lot of mistakes Big George would make. He would punch wide winging shots with both hands down. To me, I would see Prime Mike, simply catching and shooting and catching George flush on the chin, time after time.

I don't know how many flush shots Big George can take, but i do know Ron Lyle had him down and out several times in the fight.

For me, Tyson would take it. He was a bigger, stronger, faster and more powerful version of Frazier.

Head to head, I even think Prime Mike would've beat Ali... Why not? Frazier did it.

Prime Foreman and Prime Tyson, I agree boils down to which chin would hold up and which one goes. I 'll say bombs away inside the distance for sure. As for Ali vs Tyson, if we talking prime for prime, esp the Ali from the Liston, no way on God's green earth do Tyson beat that version if Ali. Frazier beat Ali but u forget to mention that wan't even prime Ali, that was post prison Ali. That 60's version has too much character, too much skill, too much movement...I see Mike just getting frustrated and outbox and Ali might even walk him into something late.

[Chollo Vista]

What is this guy smoking? Lmao. Foreman would've beaten Tyson. Even the second version. Tyson's style was perfect for Big George. Remember what happened to Joe Frazier? And Frazier would have beaten Tyson at his own game. Man, those heavyweights back then were tough. I think any of those would have beaten Tyson. You got Norton, Shavers, Foreman, Frazier, oh lawd.

LMAO George Foreman himself didn't even say this

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George even said Cooney punched harder than Frazier. I'm pretty sure Cooney didn't punch like Tyson

[Chollo Vista]

Tyson was awesome to watch, no doubt. But the intimidation wouldn't have been there v Foreman. Big George's sheer physicality would have been a problem for Tyson who don't forget had trouble with Bonecrusher and Tucker. If you're going to judge George post-Ali with Lyle, then do it post-Douglas for Tyson.

See my last post. I updated it before you replied

[Chollo Vista]

Prime Foreman and Prime Tyson, I agree boils down to which chin would hold up and which one goes. I 'll say bombs away inside the distance for sure. As for Ali vs Tyson, if we talking prime for prime, esp the Ali from the Liston, no way on God's green earth do Tyson beat that version if Ali. Frazier beat Ali but u forget to mention that wan't even prime Ali, that was post prison Ali. That 60's version has too much character, too much skill, too much movement...I see Mike just getting frustrated and outbox and Ali might even walk him into something late.

Great insight, it's hard to know everything when you're just looking at archived footage.

I appreciate the insight of people who lived and witnessed it during those times.

[anonymous2.0]

Tyson knocks out Ali in the back half of the fight, I'm calling it now!

[b Murphington]

For me, it's different watching a fighter rise to the top live than it is looking back before you were born and assessing fighters through archived footage.

My initial take is this. Mike Tyson was an unbeatable monster in his prime. After witnessing his destruction of Spinks first hand, I really realized this.

In the 90's, when I finally got a hold of old footage of Frazier in the 90's, I really didn't see how he compared to Mike. He was smaller, slower and less powerful... And I thought Mike had a better chin.

When I take that into consideration, I see a lot of mistakes Big George would make. He would punch wide winging shots with both hands down. To me, I would see Prime Mike, simply catching and shooting and catching George flush on the chin, time after time.

I don't know how many flush shots Big George can take, but i do know Ron Lyle had him down and out several times in the fight.

For me, Tyson would take it. He was a bigger, stronger, faster and more powerful version of Frazier.

Head to head, I even think Prime Mike would've beat Ali... Why not? Frazier did it.

On their best nights in real life, head to head, I think Foreman takes it. Foreman fought in a tougher era and is regarded as the hardest hitting heavyweight ever. More powerful than Tyson, yes. And Foreman proved he can get up off the canvas and win.

Tyson is no stranger to bigger, longer heavyweights, but he struggled vs the elite level. Foreman is elite. I think they were both afraid of each other. They could’ve fought in the 90’s.

A big part of Tyson’s game was intimidation and while Foreman says he was scared of Tyson, I think Tyson would’ve been just as scared, if not more, than Foreman was. Foreman also said he was scared of Frazier and look how that went? Foreman took fear and used it in the ring.

I think Foreman answered adversity better than Tyson did.

[fistic flow]

See my last post. I updated it before you replied

I read it, but my points still stand. Unbeaten Foreman was as intimidating as hell, and Mike was always fragile psychologically, so to go up against Foreman in his pomp would have been a different proposition.

Tyson never took out bona fide peak heavyweight greats like Frazier, Norton, but we know Foreman did. Holmes was great, but certainly on the slide.

As for the women, Tyson himself said he was an animal with women at that age regardless of whether it be Japan.

[Chollo Vista]

You guys make valid points and could be right.

[Chollo Vista]

Does anyone know how these fighter profiles were created?

Is it a remote possibility that fighters were created on a rating system based off how they performed in real life?