What if GGG had retired before the 2nd Canelo fight?

[MurkaMan]

He didn't walk him down. Golovkin kept turning him pretty much the whole fight. Effective aggression doesn't mean **** when your opponent keeps turning back to the center of the ring the whole fight, which is why the majority of the fight was fought around the center of the ring. And no, he didn't beat his ass. I've watched the fight several times and have yet to see an ass beating.

You mean to tell me GGG was outboxing Canelo? Gtfo, Canelo was PUSHING him back. GGG looked out of control.

[AKAcronym]

You mean to tell me GGG was outboxing Canelo? Gtfo, Canelo was PUSHING him back. GGG looked out of control.

Canelo was pushing him back just as much as Golovkin was pushing him back later in the fight. They fought around the middle of the ring for the majority of the fight. Was Golovkin just supposed to let Canelo hit him? He made Canelo miss a lot by stepping back, doesn't mean he was retreating. And there were quite a few moments where Golovkin was outboxing him and countering him off the back foot, yet never touched the ropes. All I'm saying is is that the aggression was all that effective if Saul couldn't put him where he wanted and kept allowing GGG to keep turning towards the center of the ring. Like I said, I just watched the fight back again and haven't seen this narrative that people are pushing.

[Citizen Koba]

I'm still under the impression that people either don't remember the fight or intentionally overplay what Canelo did in the rematch. I just watched the fight back (for whatever ****ing reason), at .75 speed and no commentary. I've seen the fight several times and there's still things I catch after each viewing that I didn't notice before. I'm still fine with 7-5 either way or a draw but anyone acting like Canelo dominated is an idiot.

There was a lot going on under the surface so to speak in both fights... found 'em both fascinating, but that's often what you get when two real high level fighters meet.

Maybe just watch it again tomorrow... see what the weather's doing. Meant to do it anyway - was having a little discussion with Kushking on another thread and I'm meaning to do a proper minute by minute breakdown at some point, but that **** takes quite a lot of time.

[QueensburyRules]

What if GGG pulled out the 2nd fight as soon as Canelo tested positive, and retired into the sunset?

He would have retired as an unbeatable legend. People would talk about him in the same breathe as Hagler.

Instead he let greed get to him and ended up getting his ass whooped. Mexican style. ☹️

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[AKAcronym]

There was a lot going on under the surface so to speak in both fights... found 'em both fascinating, but that's often what you get when two real high level fighters meet.

Maybe just watch it again tomorrow... see what the weather's doing. Meant to do it anyway - was having a little discussion with Kushking on another thread and I'm meaning to do a proper minute by minute breakdown at some point, but that **** takes quite a lot of time.

Haha I think I'm done watching that fight for awhile. Got it pretty well memorized at this point. Wasn't actively scoring the fight this last time but each time I do score it, I at least give Golovkin 3 of the last 4, usually have him sweeping the last 4 so for me it's not hard to see the fight as a draw or 7-5 either way if you want to give Canelo every single close round. But it's far from the dominant performance some of these guys claim.

[Citizen Koba]

Haha I think I'm done watching that fight for awhile. Got it pretty well memorized at this point. Wasn't actively scoring the fight this last time but each time I do score it, I at least give Golovkin 3 of the last 4, usually have him sweeping the last 4 so for me it's not hard to see the fight as a draw or 7-5 either way if you want to give Canelo every single close round. But it's far from the dominant performance some of these guys claim.

Bout the same here... haven't even given it a real thorough go over score TBH, just a first impressions one, but I thought maybe 7 - 5. Watched it a couple more times and I ain't really seen much to convince me that's wrong but there's so many close rounds I ain't goona be complaining too much if someone wanted a Draw or the Canelo win at a push... either way, razor thin, both in the individual rounds and the fight as a whole. And where this narrative came from of Canelo walking GGG down or dominating ... baffling.

[AKAcronym]

Bout the same here... haven't even given it a real thorough go over score TBH, just a first impressions one, but I thought maybe 7 - 5. Watched it a couple more times and I ain't really seen much to convince me that's wrong but there's so many close rounds I ain't goona be complaining too much if someone wanted a Draw or the Canelo win at a push... either way, razor thin, both in the individual rounds and the fight as a whole. And where this narrative came from of Canelo walking GGG down or dominating ... baffling.

The walking him down part makes no sense. They use what was said before the fight as a way to somehow score the fight or use what was said as a reason Golovkin lost. Is he just supposed to stand there and let Canelo hit him if he has the chance to make him miss? which he actually did quite a lot in that fight. Canelo pushed forward but at no point actually cut off the ring. Like I told the one guy, Golovkin simply turned or spun out of Canelo's pressure throughout the whole fight. And GGG did what a lot of these guys claimed he can't do and counter off the back foot, all the while not touching the ropes. And for whatever reason, compubox didn't count any of his jabs to the stomach, for whatever reason.

[Citizen Koba]

The walking him down part makes no sense. They use what was said before the fight as a way to somehow score the fight or use what was said as a reason Golovkin lost. Is he just supposed to stand there and let Canelo hit him if he has the chance to make him miss? which he actually did quite a lot in that fight. Canelo pushed forward but at no point actually cut off the ring. Like I told the one guy, Golovkin simply turned or spun out of Canelo's pressure throughout the whole fight. And GGG did what a lot of these guys claimed he can't do and counter off the back foot, all the while not touching the ropes. And for whatever reason, compubox didn't count any of his jabs to the stomach, for whatever reason.

Yeah, basically textbook rearfoot fighting... no frills but done proficiently against a younger faster counterpuncher. Folk kinda talk like Canelo imposed his will but he didn't although he did prevent Golovkin from imposing his.... Canelo tried to play the aggressive counterpuncher - GGGs usual role - applying the pressure to force the mistake and didn't really have much success, cos Golovkin just circled back when necessary (which was less than folk seem to think).

GGG was unable to get much going beyond the jab because he was correctly wary of the counter. Dudes kinda cancelled each other out and it ends up with whether you prefer Golovkins more regular jab or Canelo's infrequent but more eyecatching counters and flurries... course there's plenty else going on but that's it in a nutshell.

[AKAcronym]

Yeah, basically textbook rearfoot fighting... no frills but done proficiently against a younger faster counterpuncher. Folk kinda talk like Canelo imposed his will but he didn't although he did prevent Golovkin from imposing his.... Canelo tried to play the aggressive counterpuncher - GGGs usual role - applying the pressure to force the mistake and didn't really have much success, cos Golovkin just circled back when necessary (which was less than folk seem to think).

GGG was unable to get much going beyond the jab because he was correctly wary of the counter. Dudes kinda cancelled each other out and it ends up with whether you prefer Golovkins more regular jab or Canelo's infrequent but more eyecatching counters and flurries... course there's plenty else going on but that's it in a nutshell.

Yeah I think a lot of these guys don't actually want to rewatch the fight because they already have such a strong opinion on it from that initial viewing. They wouldn't want to go back and actually analyze what happened and possibly realize that their guy did or didn't do as good as they previously thought.

[O Prophet]

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What if yo daddy touched you in a bad place and now u always acting ******?