How do you SKIP Random testing for a week? Explain this to me

[Thuglife Nelo]

Half life for Clenbuterol in humans is approximately 35 hours which I've rounded to a day and a half.

Stopped reading here. You need to apply margin of error since you yourself said people have different metabolic rates. This is ****** dude.

When medical research can break down RNA molecular structures from various and conclude consistencies you think their multi million dollar machines have options and buttons other than the big red button that says “simple half life theories” or the blue button that says “check to see for consistency with meat contamination.”

A uni thesis has how many pages? Or is the research by the student just one page because the data and reason can fit all in one paragraph?

[Thuglife Nelo]

I like LDBC channels and general dummies say the WBC “increased” the levels for Clen-meat contamination cases. They actually think the WBC tells WADA how to do their research and rules, a rule that’s applied to all sports..

[Citizen Koba]

Stopped reading here. You need to apply margin of error since you yourself said people have different metabolic rates. This is ****** dude.

When medical research can break down RNA molecular structures from various and conclude consistencies you think their multi million dollar machines have options and buttons other than the big red button that says “simple half life theories” or the blue button that says “check to see for consistency with meat contamination.”

A uni thesis has how many pages? Or is the research by the student just one page because the data and reason can fit all in one paragraph?

Yes. I keep addressing your questions and you keep telling me you stopped reading before you get to my answers. You asked why I said 'rapid metabolism' and when I tell you you won't read it?

I ain't saying Canelo cheated, I even say I have seen a paper which lists half life as Clen as low as 25 hours which would be roughly in line with Canelo's elimination rates between tests, but would still indicate an unusually rapid metabolism compared to the norm.

https://www.sharonhospital.com/clenbuterol-clen-review/ (39 hours)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696 (35 hours)

WIKI 36 - 48 hours

https://clen-cycle.com/how-long-does...in-your-blood/ (36 -48 hours)

file:///F:/rutgers-lib-41219_PDF-1(2).pdf (25 -39 hours)



And the rest of what you're writing is just back to the usual obfuscation bullish you genrally resort to when a convo ain't really going your way. Listen I said my piece. There's no hard evidence either way as to whether Canelo deliberately used Clen or eat contaminated meat. There's also no hard evidence for your conspiracy theories on Suliaman setting Canelo up and nor do they really hang together but I ain't wasting more time on this ish, man.

[Thuglife Nelo]

yes. You keep stopping reading yet I addressed exactly that. You asked why I said 'rapid metabolism' and when I tell you you won't read it?

I ain't saying Canelo cheated, I even say I have seen a paper which lists half life as Clen as low as 25 hours which would be roughly in line with Canelo's elimination rates between tests.

All I’m saying is there’s proper reasonable doubt for Canelo’s case. Do know there was an actual narratives in WADA’s community and investigators from the Tour De France for it’s country and regions not having Clen used in cattle.

Whereas athletes were exonerated from Clen before Canelo, from USADA and VADA for “no fault” (meat contamination). That means those athletes for whatever amounts were consistent with meat contamination. Since you’re doing the “math,” what would’ve been Vargas’ amount (give or take) 3-4 days after his first sample of 1.2ng? Unfortunately the answer doesn’t matter because VaDA never tested Vargas after the first sample when results are seen the after the collection. These procedures are done early because the research wants to see the molecular data at its purest when the athlete gives him sample.

This is why Sulaiman and VADA are pieces of shet knowing the decay and NO THRESHOLD ALLOWED. It is impossible for Canelo to have no nano traces 4 days later. Why don’t you acknowledge that? That’s the science. Again, look at Contador, he had no positive result the day before and The after his 50 picograms which scientists were trying to figure out how that happened. A majority voted cross contamination and he was stripped and banned from cycling.

[Citizen Koba]

All I’m saying is there’s proper reasonable doubt for Canelo’s case. Do know there was an actual narratives in WADA’s community and investigators from the Tour De France for it’s country and regions not having Clen used in cattle.

Whereas athletes were exonerated from Clen before Canelo, from USADA and VADA for “no fault” (meat contamination). That means those athletes for whatever amounts were consistent with meat contamination. Since you’re doing the “math,” what would’ve been Vargas’ amount (give or take) 3-4 days after his first sample of 1.2ng? Unfortunately the answer doesn’t matter because VaDA never tested Vargas after the first sample when results are seen the after the collection. These procedures are done early because the research wants to see the molecular data at its purest when the athlete gives him sample.

This is why Sulaiman and VADA are pieces of shet knowing the decay and NO THRESHOLD ALLOWED. It is impossible for Canelo to have no nano traces 4 days later. Why don’t you acknowledge that? That’s the science. Again, look at Contador, he had no positive result the day before and The after his 50 picograms which scientists were trying to figure out how that happened. A majority voted cross contamination and he was stripped and banned from cycling.

Man. Do you read my ish at all?

All I ever said was that it ain't possible to prove it either way. Yes there's reasonable doubt. The only reason I keep arguing with you is not because I'm saying he's guilty but cos you keep saying there's proof of innocence. There ain't. There ain't proof of intent to cheat either... I been saying it over and over yet you still seem to think I'm accusing the dude of cheating.

After all these words the simple fact is we just don't know either way and probably never will.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Man. Do you read my ish at all?

All I ever said was that it ain't possible to prove it either way. Yes there's reasonable doubt. The only reason I keep arguing with you is cos you keep saying there's proof of innocence.

Wait a minute. You’re confused. Take a Court of Law. How do you win a jury, raise reasonable doubt? If the jury rules Not Guilty is that “innocence?”

[MoneyKasha]

Wilder a cheat

[Citizen Koba]

Wait a minute. You’re confused. Take a Court of Law. How do you win a jury, raise reasonable doubt? If the jury rules Not Guilty is that “innocence?”

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This isn't a court of law, man. Canelo served his 6 months for negligence or whatever you want call it and he's free to go on with his career.

The law is the law man and the rules are the rules. The inability to prove that he did use Clenbuterol as a PED is not the same thing as proving that he did not, and that is the question most boxing fans would like answered.

Unfortunately we're all just gonna have to learn to live with never knowing for sure.

[UNBANNED]

EDIT: And it wouldn't be impaired metabolism we were talking about but rapid metabolism. Usual accepted half life of Clen in humans is 36 hours, the drop between Canelo's 2 tests implies a half life of 25 hours give or take. So either he got a rapid metabolism or he made efforts to accelerate elimination in some way (flushing would be the most usual technique - although going back to Contador, more exotic methods have been suggested).

That is speculation. There couldve been a large dose taken and a smaller dose taken in between tests. Would need Canelo to willingly take Clenbuterol and allow labs before during and after to correctly approximate how his body metabolizes substance

[Citizen Koba]

That is speculation. There couldve been a large dose taken and a smaller dose taken in between tests. Would need Canelo to willingly take Clenbuterol and allow labs before during and after to correctly approximate how his body metabolizes substance

If he taken extra doses in between the tests you would expect the measured concentrations to be higher than expected, in fact they were lower than expected. In his first test the measured urinary concentration was 600 - 800pg/ml, under the most commonly accepted clenbuterol half life in humans of 35 hours we would expect his concentrations 3 days later to be about a quarter of that (2 half lives) or about 150 - 200pg/ml. In fact they were measured at 60 - 80pg/ml.

But yeah for sure, one way of resolving this issue would be to conduct elimination rate tests on Canelo. It wouldn't prove innocence still but it could eliminate one puzzling inconsistency.

And yes sure it's speculation. I ain't accusing Canelo of anything all I'm looking at is the fact that his elimination rates were unusually and devising possible hypotheses to explain it. One is that he has a fast metabolism vi's a vi's Clenbuterol, anther is that he attempted to flush or otherwise accelerate elimination, and I'm sure many others could be divised it's just that these seem the obvious front runners to me. What about you?

FWIW though I ain't seen anyone else even acknowledge or question this elimation rate issue anywhere so maybe it's of no significance at all... I honestly don't know, I just noticed it and wondered what the explanation might be.