How do you SKIP Random testing for a week? Explain this to me

[Thuglife Nelo]

This is proof how we know Canelo was maliciously setup you by Sulaiman and VADA when Vargas was exempt with Clenbuterol and that the WADA board had been revising its threshold and research since 2013. VADA knew all this yet:

February 17: VADA takes a sample from Canelo. The samples are checked the day after.

VADA was told of the .6ng. They knew it would t deplete to NO traces within 4 days.

So what does VADA do? The randomly drop by February 20 and the trace half life was expected, showing .06ng. Again it is technically impossible to wipe out traces as such unless it’s intentional. SMRTL lab would be able to see if Canelo popped more Clen or tried to rid of his system. It’s rather easy. SMRTL said all consistent with meat contamination.

The WBC are corrupt.

So:

Someone explain how this works. With Charlo Bros. they were fined for skipping a random test. Yet you’d think VADA would’ve eased dropped any day in a 7-day period to get a collection knowing their first attempt wasn’t successful....

So how could Wilder miss a week of random testing? That doesn’t make any sense. Are there rumors? I’ve been told Mauricio wasn’t excited when handing Fury the WBC strap...

[Citizen Koba]

This is proof how we know Canelo was maliciously setup you by Sulaiman and VADA when Vargas was exempt with Clenbuterol and that the WADA board had been revising its threshold and research since 2013. VADA knew all this yet:

February 17: VADA takes a sample from Canelo. The samples are checked the day after.

VADA was told of the .6ng. They knew it would t deplete to NO traces within 4 days.

So what does VADA do? The randomly drop by February 20 and the trace half life was expected, showing .06ng. Again it is technically impossible to wipe out traces as such unless it’s intentional. SMRTL lab would be able to see if Canelo popped more Clen or tried to rid of his system. It’s rather easy. SMRTL said all consistent with meat contamination.

The WBC are corrupt.

So:

Someone explain how this works. With Charlo Bros. they were fined for skipping a random test. Yet you’d think VADA would’ve eased dropped any day in a 7-day period to get a collection knowing their first attempt wasn’t successful....

So how could Wilder miss a week of random testing? That doesn’t make any sense. Are there rumors? I’ve been told Mauricio wasn’t excited when handing Fury the WBC strap...

It's not proof of anything except inconsistency... in fact not even that because the two circumstances are different (Charlo and Canelo that is). I have no idea why Vargas was allowed to go ahead, but suspect it might be as much to do with the much higher profile of the GGG - Canelo fight and the spotlight on the NAC. Is it impossible that Canelo was somehow set up? No, but Occam's razor would suggest it's probably not the firstsolution you should be looking at.... and at the end of the day he still failed the first test - are you claiming Suliaman knew Canelo would fail?

And the .6 - .8ng/ml would not deplete to 'nothing' in 4 days - where did you get that info? In fact at normal rates it should have deplete 8-fold in foour and a half days - down to perhaps 80 - 100pg/ml (higher than the 60 -80 measured after 3), so in fact it looks like Canelo's elimination rates were accelerated somehow, whether deliberately or because he has an improbably fast metabolism.

Anyways I'm beating over old ground... the more recent example of Jiminez being tested a coupla days apart has led me to believe that this kinda paired testing might be part of a deliberate policy - (although one that has not been made explicit for the obvious reasons) - possibly even designed with Mexican athletes /Clenbuterol cases in mind due to the continued absence of any effective discriminatory testing methods. It's worth noting that Whyte was of course also cleared due to the results of two tests taken close together so it might just be global policy. The outcomes of two tests taken within an anticipated elimination cycle can often yield far more compelling or complete information one way or another than a single test.

[Thuglife Nelo]

It's not proof of anything except inconsistency... in fact not even that because the two circumstances are different.

And the .6 - .8ng/ml would not deplete to 'nothing' in 4 days - where did you get that info? In fact at normal rates it should have deplete 8-fold in foour and a half days - down to perhaps 80 - 100pg/ml (higher than the 60 -80 measured after 3), so in fact it looks like Canelo's elimination rates were accelerated somehow, whether deliberately or because he has an improbably fast metabolism.

Anyways I'm beating over old ground... the more recent example of Jiminez being tested a coupla days apart has led me to believe that this kinda paired testing might be part of a deliberate policy - (although one that has not been made explicit for the obvious reasons) - possibly even designed with Mexican athletes /Clenbuterol cases in mind due to the continued absence of any effective discriminatory testing methods. It's worth noting that Whyte was of course also cleared due to the results of two tests taken close together so it might just be global policy. The outcomes of two tests taken within an anticipated elimination cycle can often yield far more compelling or complete information one way or another than a single test.

Stop it with the Jimenez crap, dude. That chick is a open dyke. We all know this. Don’t compare what many practitioners of the transgendered world from third world countries use for testosterone therapy to become dudes. Jimenez’ anabolic steroid stanozolol is used by girls wanting to be dudes... comparing that to Clen is ******.

You just admitted inconsistency by VADA. That means it’s a dangerous organization that can’t be trusted.

You just proved my point from a video I showed you before. “One picogram is enough for a positive result.” WADA Lab Director

What is 1 picogram to a nanogram. Even if Canelo had a humorous result of 1 picogram it’d still be a “positive result” because there’s never been a threshold. Vargas had 1.2ng. and was never tested twice or days after. Don’t you find that shady as fook with VADA running it all?

The simplest answer is VaDA has always known about Clen and how WADA’s board was reviewing a threshold. It wasn’t until 2019 that it finally passed to allow 2ng as a threshold as long as the result match meat contamination. You know all this but you choose to say Canelo cheated.

It’s not complicated.

[Citizen Koba]

Stop it with the Jimenez crap, dude. That chick is a open dyke. We all know this. Don’t compare what many practitioners of the transgendered world from third world countries use for testosterone therapy to become dudes. Jimenez’ anabolic steroid stanozolol is used by girls wanting to be dudes... comparing that to Clen is ******.

You just admitted inconsistency by VADA. That means it’s a dangerous organization that can’t be trusted.

You just proved my point from a video I showed you before. “One picogram is enough for a positive result.” WADA Lab Director

What is 1 picogram to a nanogram. Even if Canelo had a humorous result of 1 picogram it’d still be a “positive result” because there’s never been a threshold. Vargas had 1.2ng. and was never tested twice or days after. Don’t you find that shady as fook with VADA running it all?

The simplest answer is VaDA has always known about Clen and how WADA’s board was reviewing a threshold. It wasn’t until 2019 that it finally passed to allow 2ng as a threshold as long as the result match meat contamination. You know all this but you choose to say Canelo cheated.

It’s not complicated.

I'm talking about the overall policy of testing a few (2 or 3) days apart, man, it's become commonplace I think... the specific case or who was tested for what is besides the point as is Jiminez' sexuality or gender.

And no, I'm talking inconsistency with how the test results were treated by NAC and CSAC, they're the ones who took the decisions over whether the fights proceeded or over punitive action. VADA just tests and provides the results. Besides CSAC and NAC are two fdifferent organsiations with different people and different - or slightly different policy on various matters and doping policy evolved rapidly over the 2010's anyway. NAC have made it a big part of policy to appear strict on doping -as one would expect given the potential income/reputation implications for Nevada should cheating be uncovered.

And regardless, for either AC or VADA - or indeed any organisation policy can and does change over time to bring it into line with current standards or thinking or just public opinion. As you correctly stated that were some changes in informal guidelines over the period in question and NAC in particular having been wanting to be seen to be tough on doping (note their enhanced testing policy).


And where, ever, once... did I state that Canelo cheated? All I've ever said ever in all our extended exchanges on this subject is there's no clear evidence - or even weight of probability - either way.

I answer you because you keep claiming - or at least implying - proof of innocence, which does not exist nor is ever likely to at this point. Nor is there any proof of guilt. I don't bother correcting every other poster who says he cheated or innocent becasue they ain't trying to offer any substantive argument, but you continue to do so, and when you do I'll be happy to continue assisting by pointing out the flaws in your argument or at least where you stray away from what is logically deducable.

And if it should be that you find some incontrovertible proof of Canelo's innocence of intent I'll happily back you on it and promulgate the information.

EDIT: But just for the record, no, I don't trust VADA, any Commision or other governing body or any sanctioning organisation, national or international to act fairly and consistently irrespective of pragmatic financial or political considerations. This is boxing, man. The ones I'd trust most are those with other responsibilities extending beyond the scope of boxing who might have oversight from either governmental agencies or NFP NGOs preferably International ones, but even there my trust really extends about as far as I could throw my car.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I'm talking about the overall policy of testing a few (2 or 3) days apart, man, it's become commonplace I think... the specific case or who was tested for what is besides the point as is Jiminez' sexuality or gender.

And no, I'm talking inconsistency with how the test results were treated by NAC and CSAC, they're the ones who took the decisions over whether the fights proceeded or over punitive action. VADA just tests and provides the results. Besides CSAC and NAC are two fdifferent organsiations with different people and different...

Stopped reading here. Let’s not even talk about Jimenez. First of all her substance was an anabolic steroid, and as you said (about not trusting VADA either), who knows what that dyke was on with her general treatments. I’ve met and seen plenty of dykes throughout my life and when the “chicks” look like that they’re on some hormone therapy treatment. The whole discussion about advantages for the Transgendered etc..gets a bit nauseating for my tastes.

Now the fact is VADA has been on record to flaunt or “catch cheaters” and “how they will be dealt with.” I will find that video for you, just remind me. It was from a VADA board director whom said it. If they were neutral they wouldn’t be talking as such...

Second, when VADA is agreed upon with the fighters or for those whom don’t have a choice because of the top 15, the commissions get the consulting from them! VADA was assigned to Vargas vs Salido. The CSAC said they got the consulting, that it was “such a low amount and far away from the fight.” Obviously VADA green lit their opinion to influence the CSAC to not strike Vargas, and they new about the meat contamination..

Its known that VADA has nothing to do with the lab testing. We all know VaDA doesn’t test they just facilitate The protocol and procedures for the labs that do it and give them the results to the promoters.

[pittapatta66]

these drug agencies are corrupt just like any organisation, they are still ran by human beings afterall.

what happens is, if you fail a test they reach out to you for money. if you are a big cash cow like canelo, the price they are after can be quite excessive. tens of millions of dollars to sweep it under the rug. i suppose de la hoya was unwilling to fork out that money and so they released the test and tarnished canelos career.

canelo dont like de la hoya no more, he was too cheap to save canelo.

[Thuglife Nelo]

these drug agencies are corrupt just like any organisation, they are still ran by human beings afterall.

what happens is, if you fail a test they reach out to you for money. if you are a big cash cow like canelo, the price they are after can be quite excessive. tens of millions of dollars to sweep it under the rug. i suppose de la hoya was unwilling to fork out that money and so they released the test and tarnished canelos career.

canelo dont like de la hoya no more, he was too cheap to save canelo.

Clenbuterol for meat contamination has had exemptions from various sports worldwide. WADA even revised the Clen rule for meat contamination as long as it’s under 2000 picograms which is 2ng. Canelo had .6ng

Vargas had 1.2ng.

The reason why everything stinks is because of the conflict of interest. It was Sulaiman who disciplined Canelo for refusing the Mexican Green Belt in front of Mexico. The WBC belt is the most prestigious belt and it’s Mexico’s iconic strap. So when Canelo refused it, Mauricio took offense.

There’s a reason why the Franchise Award was made. It was made because of the whole Clenbuterol situation with Canelo. They did him wrong. Karma wins all. That’s why WADA changed The rule in 2019. Vargas was never tested twice or 4 days later like Canelo. Vargas would’ve failed his test because it doesn’t disappear in 4 days when you measure nano traces. That’s just the way it works.

Look how USADA’s people with the UFC said Jon Jones had trace amounts residing a whole year or Povetkin with months lingering. So how in the fook could Canelo have no traces 4 days away?

Lol. This is a cakewalk. VADA are corrupt.

[DaNeutral.]

Did wilder miss a week of VADA testing?

[Citizen Koba]

Stopped reading here. Let’s not even talk about Jimenez. First of all her substance was an anabolic steroid, and as you said (about not trusting VADA either), who knows what that dyke was on with her general treatments. I’ve met and seen plenty of dykes throughout my life and when the “chicks” look like that they’re on some hormone therapy treatment. The whole discussion about advantages for the Transgendered etc..gets a bit nauseating for my tastes.

Now the fact is VADA has been on record to flaunt or “catch cheaters” and “how they will be dealt with.” I will find that video for you, just remind me. It was from a VADA board director whom said it. If they were neutral they wouldn’t be talking as such...

Second, when VADA is agreed upon with the fighters or for those whom don’t have a choice because of the top 15, the commissions get the consulting from them! VADA was assigned to Vargas vs Salido. The CSAC said they got the consulting, that it was “such a low amount and far away from the fight.” Obviously VADA green lit their opinion to influence the CSAC to not strike Vargas, and they new about the meat contamination..

Its known that VADA has nothing to do with the lab testing. We all know VaDA doesn’t test they just facilitate The protocol and procedures for the labs that do it and give them the results to the promoters.

So you stop reading halfway through my post and expect to have a real dialogue huh?

Simple fact is different commissions made decisions on different fights at different times under different circumstances so there's really no basis for trying to hook them making different decisions on some kinda conspiracy though of course it can't be absolutely ruled out either. The jiminez thing I ain't sure whether you're just playing dumb or what -, you claimed the two tests close together was evidence of conspiracy Against Saul and I pointed out two recent examples (Jiminez and Whyte) to show that testing twice within a few days is actually not uncommon and may in fact be sensible practice. The drug involved or the gender status of the testee are utterly irrelevant to the point in question.

Look man, I honestly got better ways of spending my time. I clarified in the bit of my post you say you didn't read that I ain't claiming Saul deliberately cheated and I never have, but as long as you keep coming up with these tenuous speculative proofs of poor Sauls innocence and the spiteful conspiracies against him Ima be there to point out how your **** ain't really credible.

[Citizen Koba]

Clenbuterol for meat contamination has had exemptions from various sports worldwide. WADA even revised the Clen rule for meat contamination as long as it’s under 2000 picograms which is 2ng. Canelo had .6ng

Vargas had 1.2ng.

The reason why everything stinks is because of the conflict of interest. It was Sulaiman who disciplined Canelo for refusing the Mexican Green Belt in front of Mexico. The WBC belt is the most prestigious belt and it’s Mexico’s iconic strap. So when Canelo refused it, Mauricio took offense.

There’s a reason why the Franchise Award was made. It was made because of the whole Clenbuterol situation with Canelo. They did him wrong. Karma wins all. That’s why WADA changed The rule in 2019. Vargas was never tested twice or 4 days later like Canelo. Vargas would’ve failed his test because it doesn’t disappear in 4 days when you measure nano traces. That’s just the way it works.

Look how USADA’s people with the UFC said Jon Jones had trace amounts residing a whole year or Povetkin with months lingering. So how in the fook could Canelo have no traces 4 days away?

Lol. This is a cakewalk. VADA are corrupt.

VADA may very well be corrupt but the preceding paragraphs are quite simply nonsensical and betray either ******ity and utter ignorance of elementals of drug testing or willful obfuscation. Thing is I know you're a very long way from ****** and I've explained the relevant drug testing language and protocols to you at length in previous discussions... So.. I'm going with wilful obfuscation.

But ****it, I literally can't be arsed spending the time on this today. Anyone who cares already made their minds up about this bull hit anyway and my time's better spent elsewhere.