How do you SKIP Random testing for a week? Explain this to me

[Thuglife Nelo]

So you stop reading halfway through my post and expect to have a real dialogue huh?

Simple fact is different commissions made decisions on different fights at different times under different circumstances so there's really no basis for trying to hook them making different decisions on some kinda conspiracy though of course it can't be absolutely ruled out either. The jiminez thing I ain't sure whether you're just playing dumb or what -, you claimed the two tests close together was evidence of conspiracy..

Stopped reading here. What “conspiracy” when our convo was on CSAC, VADA, and Vargas. Canelo is a different discussion or at least don’t mix them together in the same comparison with commission.

And now you’re acting the fool because our convo was about tests 4 days apart with depletion which you acknowledge. Regarding “Jimenez” I said let’s not compare anabolic steroids - particularly ones used for hormone therapies (especially in a third world country like Mexico...) to meat contamination that’s been acknowledged and revised with WADA in 2019.

[Thuglife Nelo]

VADA may very well be corrupt but the preceding paragraphs are quite simply nonsensical and betray either ******ity and utter ignorance of elementals of drug testing or willful obfuscation..

You’re a dummy. WADA revised its rule for meat contamination and Clen in 2019. If Canelo had an amount double of Vargas 2.4ng or 3-8ng, or as Conte has said “to have an effect you’d need 9ng”... if Canelo had any of those numbers I wouldn’t say jack shet. Just so you know, Erik Morales’ Clen case didn’t have “nano” levels. There were trace results of someone using to lose weight, just like diuretic use and fighters suspended/fined. Morales was banned for 2 years. The funny thing is that the Garcia’s didn’t care that Morales used Clen because they wanted the fight not cancelled. Would a father put his son in danger if they thought it was used like anabolic steroids?

The scene has known about it. In Morales’ case he had trouble making weight and his physique was horrid in his final fights.

[Citizen Koba]

You’re a dummy. WADA revised its rule for meat contamination and Clen in 2019. If Canelo had an amount double of Vargas 2.4ng or 3-8ng, or as Conte has said “to have an effect you’d need 9ng”... if Canelo had any of those numbers I wouldn’t say jack shet. Just so you know, Erik Morales’ Clen case didn’t have “nano” levels. There were trace results of someone using to lose weight, just like diuretic use and fighters suspended/fined. Morales was banned for 2 years. The funny thing is that the Garcia’s didn’t care that Morales used Clen because they wanted the fight not cancelled. Would a father put his son in danger if they thought it was used like anabolic steroids?

The scene has known about it. In Morales’ case he had trouble making weight and his physique was horrid in his final fights.

You know full well the amount of Clen in someone's system is entirely dependent on the time elapsed since it was taken, man. 0.8ng/ml today means 3.2ng/ml 3 days earlier and 12.8ng/ml 3 days before that right back to the point of dosage or ingestion. To know how much was taken originally you need to know when it entered the body. And what's this nonsense in your last post about Vargas and the the CSAC being different circumstances now? It was you who was claiming the Vargas case as proof of conspiracy and drawing the parallel between em, and me who pointed out the false equivalence and now you're claiming they were two separate conversations despite the evidence in this very thread, so...

Anyways I'm done here, man. This is quite literally a waste of time.

[R_Walken]

Yeah Canelo was setup by the man that made up a whole new belt for Canelo given to just him so he could have have free reign and do whatever he wanted and the WBC would be cool with it , The WBC Increased the amount of Clem to be considered a Dirty Test by them after Canelo popped and miraculously Canelos tests now wouldn’t be considered a dirty test. And Sauliman generally acts like the only thing he wants in this world is to suck Canelos d.ick , He’s definitely the the one who would want Canelo to test positive

Canelo popped because instead of the standard 8 week testing period that he was use to , Golovkins team insisted on a 10–12 week testing period and just by chance when he was tested outside outside of his regular 8 week routine he popped dirty

Canelos almost certainly has used PEds previously at least a
according to almost all his previous Opponets and people inside the sport and maybe still is a dirty fighter

But since fans , media and the organizations just pretend to give a f.uck about PEDs and Canelo keeps the money counter working non stop benefiting everyone in the sport he basically walked away unpunished and a couple months after he popped hot its almost has been forgotten about

[Thuglife Nelo]

You know full well the amount of Clen in someone's system is entirely dependent on the time elapsed since it was taken, man. 0.8ng/ml today means 3.2ng/ml 3 days earlier and 12.8ng/ml 3 days before that right back to the point of dosage or ingestion. To know how much was taken originally you need to know when it entered the body. And what's this nonsense in your last post about Vargas and the the CSAC being different circumstances now? It was you who was claiming the Vargas case as proof of conspiracy and drawing the parallel between em, and me who pointed out the false equivalence and now you're claiming they were two separate conversations despite the evidence in this very thread, so...

Anyways I'm done here, man. This is quite literally a waste of time.

Now you’re making stuff up. You just said guys have different metabolic rates. What’s your formula from .8 to 3 days prior?

How do you explain Contador having a positive result between days that were negative? Court of Arbitration had to research the restaurant, where that owner bought his meat, etc... banned and revoked his medal. France ain’t México, China or Russia

[UNBANNED]

This is proof how we know Canelo was maliciously setup you by Sulaiman and VADA when Vargas was exempt with Clenbuterol and that the WADA board had been revising its threshold and research since 2013. VADA knew all this yet:

February 17: VADA takes a sample from Canelo. The samples are checked the day after.

VADA was told of the .6ng. They knew it would t deplete to NO traces within 4 days.

So what does VADA do? The randomly drop by February 20 and the trace half life was expected, showing .06ng. Again it is technically impossible to wipe out traces as such unless it’s intentional. SMRTL lab would be able to see if Canelo popped more Clen or tried to rid of his system. It’s rather easy. SMRTL said all consistent with meat contamination.

The WBC are corrupt.

So:

Someone explain how this works. With Charlo Bros. they were fined for skipping a random test. Yet you’d think VADA would’ve eased dropped any day in a 7-day period to get a collection knowing their first attempt wasn’t successful....

So how could Wilder miss a week of random testing? That doesn’t make any sense. Are there rumors? I’ve been told Mauricio wasn’t excited when handing Fury the WBC strap...

Ask Manny Pacquiao. He wanted cutoffs like it was #Ramadan

[UNBANNED]

You know full well the amount of Clen in someone's system is entirely dependent on the time elapsed since it was taken, man. 0.8ng/ml today means 3.2ng/ml 3 days earlier and 12.8ng/ml 3 days before that right back to the point of dosage or ingestion. To know how much was taken originally you need to know when it entered the body. And what's this nonsense in your last post about Vargas and the the CSAC being different circumstances now? It was you who was claiming the Vargas case as proof of conspiracy and drawing the parallel between em, and me who pointed out the false equivalence and now you're claiming they were two separate conversations despite the evidence in this very thread, so...

Anyways I'm done here, man. This is quite literally a waste of time.

Residual levels of a substance are dependent on dosage and time. Not either/or, but BOTH. Impaired metabolism is probably irrelevant since we're talking about prime professional athletes

You desne fuck. Dont try to sound smart if you arent

[Citizen Koba]

Now you’re making stuff up. You just said guys have different metabolic rates. What’s your formula from .8 to 3 days prior?

How do you explain Contador having a positive result between days that were negative? Court of Arbitration had to research the restaurant, where that owner bought his meat, etc... banned and revoked his medal. France ain’t México, China or Russia

Half life for Clenbuterol in humans is approximately 35 hours which I've rounded to a day and a half.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

Wki has it 36 - 48 and I've seen other sources state it as anywhere from 25 to 39 but most academic papers have it 35.

If concentration halves every 36 hours the inverse is that it doubles every 36 hours as you go back in time... you following? You can carry this trend right back upto shortly after the drug enters the body and begins to be matabolised. Problem is if you don't know when the drug entered the body then you don't know how much entered the body just from the urinary concentrations measured an indeterminate time later... could be Canelo did a **** load maybe 10 or 12 days before testing or it could be he ate contaminated meat just a day or two before testing. There really is no way of distinguishing.

The fast metabolism thing comes down to the fact that Canelo's urinary concentrations fell 10-fold in a 3 day span where normal elimination rates of Clenbuterol would suggest they should have only fallen 4-fold. The 10-fold drop would imply a 25 hour half life of clenbuterol (compared to the genrally accepted 35 hours) which I have seen quoted in a single paper as a lower end threshold but would absolutely have to be considered indicative of an unusually rapid metabolism.

The Contador case is weird... and yes the fact that he was tested the day prior and then tested too low to have used any significant amount is exactly the grounds upon which he was initially cleared. On review he was stripped and banned but it's still a controversial case. I ain't rechecking now but best I recall there was some suggestions he'd maybe taken a blood transplant or some ish, but personally I think they just wanted to appear to be taking a tough no-nonsense stance... who knows though.

That is a good illustration of why it's solid practivce to take two tests within a few days of each other though... for instance if Canelo's first test had come back clean and the second showing sub-1ng/ml levels it would have been perfectly clear there had been no attempt to cheat as he couldn't possibly have taken a the****utivc level dose and it been eliminated down to 1ng/ml with a 3 day period, but that ain't how it played out... that's exactly the kinda logic that cleared Whyte btw even though obviously different substances were involved.

[Citizen Koba]

Residual levels of a substance are dependent on dosage and time. Not either/or, but BOTH. Impaired metabolism is probably irrelevant since we're talking about prime professional athletes

You desne fuck. Dont try to sound smart if you arent

yes. Dosage and time. That's absolutely correct. To quote my post:

To know how much was taken originally you need to know when it entered the body.

Doesn't that quite succinctly sum up exactly what you just said? If it wasn't clear then you have my apologies.... ah I see, I should have said you also need to know the tested concentrations? Kinda thought that was implicit.... in fact the rest of my post makes it entirely explicit.

0.8ng/ml today means 3.2ng/ml 3 days earlier and 12.8ng/ml 3 days before that right back to the point of dosage or ingestion

And man, you might wanna check your tone at the door. I ain't being a dick and you might wanna extend the same courtesy - you might want to try reading my post properly too before you start with the put downs. I ain't claiming to be smart but I have looked into this subject in some depth and nothing I'm saying here is in the slightest bit controversial.

EDIT: And it wouldn't be impaired metabolism we were talking about but rapid metabolism. Usual accepted half life of Clen in humans is 36 hours, the drop between Canelo's 2 tests implies a half life of 25 hours give or take. So either he got a rapid metabolism or he made efforts to accelerate elimination in some way (flushing would be the most usual technique - although going back to Contador, more exotic methods have been suggested).

[Thuglife Nelo]

Yeah Canelo was setup by the man that made up a whole new belt for Canelo given to just him so he could have have free reign and do whatever he wanted and the WBC would be cool with it , The WBC Increased the amount of Clem

Stopped reading here. Your comprehension on WADA is slow. The WBC didn’t “increase” anything nor make the ruling from WADA. VADA HAS TO COMPLY WITH WADA since that what the WBC CBP is based off of, the rules from the banned list.