How do you SKIP Random testing for a week? Explain this to me

[Citizen Koba]

I said spectrometry machine usage in our discussions way before you mentioned it homie. I know the SMRTL lab in Utah got an Orbitrap MS. Yet you still don’t even acknowledge Eichner’s statement about Canelo having consistent results with meat contamination. But you know I’ve said that before countless times you just continue with these dumh angles cause you don’t want to lose the idea that Canelo was setup.

Key benefits of Orbitrap mass spectrometry

Unparalleled sensitivity, resolution, and accuracy

Orbitrap technology drives high-resolution, accurate-mass (HRAM) data, generating incredibly high resolution measurements of up to 500,000 FWHM (with the option of achieving up to 1,000,000 FWHM) at m/z 200. This distinguishing feature, which is unique to the Orbitrap analyzer, is made possible by three factors:

Nanometer-range accuracy electrodes.
High voltage supplies.
Mass-to-charge measurements delivered as a function of oscillation frequency.
Due to the superior resolving capabilities of Orbitrap technology, accurate mass assignment is easily achieved, with sub-1-ppm mass accuracy typical of injected analytes.

Unprecedented qual/quan analysis means high selectivity and sensitivity

Because Orbitrap technology provides quantitative and qualitative (quan/qual) HRAM analytical capability in a single platform and often in a single run, it has been increasingly applied towards a range of challenging applications requiring high selectivity and sensitivity.

Ha ha ha. And what has orbitrap got to do with this? The issue is not one of sensitivity, gc-ms is already well able to detect Clen well down into single digit picograms. The problem is that without knowing when the Clen entered his system no results irrespective of precision can tell you how much initially entered his body. In fact the simple fact that you imagine the problem to be one of precision betrays your fundamental failure to understand the issue.. or more likely another effort at obfuscation on your part.

And yes. In fact I did address the term 'consistent with' and have done many times before. 'Consistent with' simply means 'is not contradicted by'. It does not mean something is proven or even likely it merely means it is not ruled out by the available facts and it definitely doesn't imply that there are no alternative explanation that are also consistent with the available facts. In fact the language is quite telling of the level of certainty or lack thereof. If the intent had been to convey that food contamination was a highly likely explanation then they could have said the results were 'suggestive of' contamination, which is in fact the exact language that was used by UKAD in their statement on the Whyte case. In legalese or science 'consistent with' means 'well yeah, could be, we can't rule it out' whereas 'suggestive of' means 'yeah, we're pretty sure it's that, but we can't prove it 100%'

Look man, I know you're not even arguing with me but just trying to play to an audience, maybe thinking you'll fool folk with semantics or blind em with irrelevant references to tech but Ive seen enough of your non bull hit posts to know that you're smarter than that and to know that understand me just fine. You know I'm right, man and this conversations just devolving into a farce that you're just keeping going for appearance sake.

So I reckon I'm out.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Molecular testing? What does that even mean? They use GC-MS. Perhaps that's what you meant by 'molecular testing'?

Ha ha ha. And what has orbitrap got to do with this?

Dude you’re clown. You use my
Information to claim it as yours as I have said spectrometry machines in our discussions before you even mentioned it. You’re so confused in defeat you acknowledge MS, question molecular research, and then ask what does a “Orbitrap have to do” when its an MS machine you dummy!

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Citizen Koba]

Your right. Clen is also dosed in micrograms, not like most drugs. 100mcg is usually a standard daily dose for someone who is 200lbs. Where say Stanazolol is 25mg-100mg daily. There’s 1000000mcgs in a gram. The tests show how much is found in only one ml of blood, there’s about 5000mls or more of blood in someone Canelos weight. So it’s easy for people to dismiss numbers that show up in nano grams cause it seems so insignificant. But I’m sure we all know what a Gram looks like, now imagine that makes 10k max doses of Clen. Half-lives being what they are there’s no way to know if a tiny dose was just taken or an actual working dose was taken much prior to the test like u said. No one will ever know what happened. Personally I think PEDS are promoted and overrated by all the people who have never tried them. They claim to know how great they work and know who and who isn’t on them. I know my stuff and I am amazed at how hard it is to actually tell for sure. Canelos team who ate the meat also shoulda got blood tested to really squash things if they wanted. Truth is there’s no way to know much of anything. Nobody even knows what percentage of beef or how many beef eaters in Mexico would test for clen.

Regarding your last coupla sentences we do have some information on prevalence of Clen although it's actually from tests done on teams of visiting u17 football players a few years back. It's not ideal in terms of methodology but if there's been any more credible studies done on the Mexican population at large I ain't seen em and I'm on my phone right now so I ain't gonna start checking again this second. Best I recall hovering around 50% of the visiting players actually had traces of Clen when tested, which suggestions quite a high likelihood of contamination, however the vast majority of those who tested positive for Clen tested sub 200pg/ml... and of course we've know way of knowing whether some of those who tested higher had not in fact been doping themselves. Figure in that Canelo initial tests came in around 600 - 800pg/ml and were left no closer to a definitive or even probable answer... Yes meatcontamination does appear to be fairly widespread (though as I've alluded the u17 players in no way constitute a representative or random sample - could simply be they were all getting food from the same one or two contaminated sources) but Canelos results were high enough to make them fairly uncommon on the spectrum of contamination cases...

[Blond Beast]

Regarding your last coupla sentences we do have some information on prevalence of Clen although it's actually from tests done on teams of visiting u17 football players a few years back. It's not ideal in terms of methodology but if there's been any more credible studies done on the Mexican population at large I ain't seen em and I'm on my phone right now so I ain't gonna start checking again this second. Best I recall hovering around 50% of the visiting players actually had traces of Clen when tested, which suggestions quite a high likelihood of contamination, however the vast majority of those who tested positive for Clen tested sub 200pg/ml... and of course we've know way of knowing whether some of those who tested higher had not in fact been doping themselves. Figure in that Canelo initial tests came in around 600 - 800pg/ml and were left no closer to a definitive or even probable answer... Yes meatcontamination does appear to be fairly widespread (though as I've alluded the u17 players in no way constitute a representative or random sample - could simply be they were all getting food from the same one or two contaminated sources) but Canelos results were high enough to make them fairly uncommon on the spectrum of contamination cases...

The first Clen I ever did was from Mexico ( Spiropent ) actually. I wouldn’t take any competitive sports teams results as proof of wide spread contamination like if say compared to the debate teams results. But u pointed that out. Trenbolone ( finaplix ) was/is used in cattle but u don’t see people popping for that though? I’m assuming if they use clen in Mexico then they’d use tren too. How many other Mexican athletes outside of boxing have testing positive for clen? I don’t know any of the numbers or have proof of anything. Honestly as someone who has done plenty of clen, Canelos pic of him flexing coming out of the cryo chamber is why I would tend to believe he did take it knowingly. Cause when ur on something and in ur best shape u can’t help but flex and show up. Kinda like When Fernando Vargas took his shirt off at the ODLH fight press conference and flexed. He was in the best shape of his life with abs, and Nando usually looked soft. So to anyone who had ever taken stanazolol, and Vargas body, it wasent surprising. Let them all take what they want anyway, dispelling this myth that the stuff is so magical. None of the lighter weights could ever take much of anything and still make weight anyway.

[Shape up]

This is proof how we know Canelo was maliciously setup you by Sulaiman and VADA when Vargas was exempt with Clenbuterol and that the WADA board had been revising its threshold and research since 2013. VADA knew all this yet:

February 17: VADA takes a sample from Canelo. The samples are checked the day after.

VADA was told of the .6ng. They knew it would t deplete to NO traces within 4 days.

So what does VADA do? The randomly drop by February 20 and the trace half life was expected, showing .06ng. Again it is technically impossible to wipe out traces as such unless it’s intentional. SMRTL lab would be able to see if Canelo popped more Clen or tried to rid of his system. It’s rather easy. SMRTL said all consistent with meat contamination.

The WBC are corrupt.

So:

Someone explain how this works. With Charlo Bros. they were fined for skipping a random test. Yet you’d think VADA would’ve eased dropped any day in a 7-day period to get a collection knowing their first attempt wasn’t successful....

So how could Wilder miss a week of random testing? That doesn’t make any sense. Are there rumors? I’ve been told Mauricio wasn’t excited when handing Fury the WBC strap...

Was it against wada protocol at the time he was caught, yes, guilty as charged, end of story

[Citizen Koba]

The first Clen I ever did was from Mexico ( Spiropent ) actually. I wouldn’t take any competitive sports teams results as proof of wide spread contamination like if say compared to the debate teams results. But u pointed that out. Trenbolone ( finaplix ) was/is used in cattle but u don’t see people popping for that though? I’m assuming if they use clen in Mexico then they’d use tren too. How many other Mexican athletes outside of boxing have testing positive for clen? I don’t know any of the numbers or have proof of anything. Honestly as someone who has done plenty of clen, Canelos pic of him flexing coming out of the cryo chamber is why I would tend to believe he did take it knowingly. Cause when ur on something and in ur best shape u can’t help but flex and show up. Kinda like When Fernando Vargas took his shirt off at the ODLH fight press conference and flexed. He was in the best shape of his life with abs, and Nando usually looked soft. So to anyone who had ever taken stanazolol, and Vargas body, it wasent surprising. Let them all take what they want anyway, dispelling this myth that the stuff is so magical. None of the lighter weights could ever take much of anything and still make weight anyway.

I never used any kinda PED, man, my interest in phrmacology was always of a more... umm.. recreational nature.

But I got a lil bit of a science and research background along with all the other weird and random stuff I did with my life so I can come at this from the science angle a bit, and wrap my head around what the research is saying and it tends to align with your take I reckon.

On whether PEDs really make much difference I'm really inclined to agree that they don't - no fkn drug is gonna turn an average dude into a master boxer, but the reality is that at each level - including the very top, most fighters are typically only seperated by the tiniest of margins - miliseconds of reaction or thinking time, that tiny bit extra in the gas tank, and it's these margins that can make the difference between winning and losing an other wise equal fight. So yeah - absolutely I'd say the impact of PEDs is vastly overblown by many no shit's gonna turn Mr Average into a world beater - but they ain't entirely irrelevent either, could be they give a guy that extra fraction of a % edge needed to tip a super close fight just in his favour.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Was it against wada protocol at the time he was caught, yes, guilty as charged, end of story

That doesn’t make any sense. It proves fans like to hide the fact that Vargas had double of Canelo’s amount. VADA and the CSAC didn’t do anything about it.

Btw, “against protocol” doesn’t make any sense. You probably mean “was Canelo’s levels acceptable with today’s new rule?” Yes they are, just like Vargas wasn’t penalized but posters never care to bring that up.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The first Clen I ever did was from Mexico ( Spiropent ) actually. I wouldn’t take any competitive sports teams results as proof of wide spread contamination like if say compared to the debate teams results. But u pointed that out. Trenbolone ( finaplix ) was/is used in cattle but u don’t see people popping for that though? I’m assuming if they use clen in Mexico then they’d use tren too. How many other Mexican athletes outside of boxing have testing positive for clen? I don’t know any of the numbers or have proof of anything. Honestly as someone who has done plenty of clen, Canelos pic of him flexing coming out of the cryo chamber is why I would tend to believe he did take it knowingly. Cause when ur on something and in ur best shape u can’t help but flex and show up. Kinda like When Fernando Vargas took his shirt off at the ODLH fight press conference and flexed. He was in the best shape of his life with abs, and Nando usually looked soft. So to anyone who had ever taken stanazolol, and Vargas body, it wasent surprising. Let them all take what they want anyway, dispelling this myth that the stuff is so magical. None of the lighter weights could ever take much of anything and still make weight anyway.

There’s some erroneous logic here. First of all, Francisco Vargas is not a fatso like Fernando Vargas nor has the Bandido ever come in physically horrid like a late Erik Morales who INTENTIONALLY USED Clen to make the weights for Danny Garcia, which Team Garcia KNEW about and still went with the fight. El Bandido is a lanky scrawny fighter, that guy don’t have trouble making weight.

Look at Morales vs Maidana or Danny Garcia, his physique is just atrocious...

Canelo is a gym rat and even on off seasons this guy is always working out. He’s just naturally strong and stocky.

Lastly, both VADa and UsADA have suspended and exonerated guys who’ve used Clen for negligence and No Fault Negligence due to meat contamination.

Koba Grozny thinks WADA labs have no research to distinguish Pill Clen use and Meat Contamination. His arguments are the dumbest of the bunch.

[Blond Beast]

I never used any kinda PED, man, my interest in phrmacology was always of a more... umm.. recreational nature.

But I got a lil bit of a science and research background along with all the other weird and random stuff I did with my life so I can come at this from the science angle a bit, and wrap my head around what the research is saying and it tends to align with your take I reckon.

On whether PEDs really make much difference I'm really inclined to agree that they don't - no fkn drug is gonna turn an average dude into a master boxer, but the reality is that at each level - including the very top, most fighters are typically only seperated by the tiniest of margins - miliseconds of reaction or thinking time, that tiny bit extra in the gas tank, and it's these margins that can make the difference between winning and losing an other wise equal fight. So yeah - absolutely I'd say the impact of PEDs is vastly overblown by many no shit's gonna turn Mr Average into a world beater - but they ain't entirely irrelevent either, could be they give a guy that extra fraction of a % edge needed to tip a super close fight just in his favour.

All good bro. I’m no whiz ****, but I like being able to wrap my head around something and get the gist of something I don’t know enough about. I totally agree with you that at the highest level when ur already a stud and have all the skills sum gear can make a legit difference especially when things are razor close. I figured Lance Armstrong was always on peds because cycling has always been a known “dirty” sport and it’s euro origins, plus who dominates everyone up the mountains while being clean and everyone else is supposedly dirty? He’s still the best. It’s relative. Cyclists can’t deny it, and never made a big stink about it. No pro bodybuilder has ever said the champ won by taking more gear. That being said if ur proven close against someone and they gear up and u lose, that really sucks, just like u said. Its kinda life though. Low blows, headbutts, rabbit punches, thigh shots, happen all the time in boxing and nobody really loses their mind over them. I’d be much more fearful of taking sum unseen/unpunished cup shots than any amount of gear the opponent being on. But like u implied, cup shots from a guy also on the gas is insult to injury. I’m just amazed at how many people claim to know who is on something like they are an expert. Boxers are lean and drained at weigh ins and bust front double biceps, I have rarely ever seen any noticeable gyno and that would be the most obvious time to see it, but there’s anti estrogens too. Course u see fighters like Golota covered in bacne, but who knows. Mia St. John admitted to cheating at tests. I will say I believe that being on gear can give u the mental confidence to maximize ur effort and get the most out of the drugs. Course I think the flip side is u could also rely on the drugs instead of putting in the effort. Like Mayorga bragging to ODLH how much he weighed in ring, getting knocked out and then testing positive for Lasix.

[Blond Beast]

There’s some erroneous logic here. First of all, Francisco Vargas is not a fatso like Fernando Vargas nor has the Bandido ever come in physically horrid like a late Erik Morales who INTENTIONALLY USED Clen to make the weights for Danny Garcia, which Team Garcia KNEW about and still went with the fight. El Bandido is a lanky scrawny fighter, that guy don’t have trouble making weight.

Look at Morales vs Maidana or Danny Garcia, his physique is just atrocious...

Canelo is a gym rat and even on off seasons this guy is always working out. He’s just naturally strong and stocky.

Lastly, both VADa and UsADA have suspended and exonerated guys who’ve used Clen for negligence and No Fault Negligence due to meat contamination.

Koba Grozny thinks WADA labs have no research to distinguish Pill Clen use and Meat Contamination. His arguments are the dumbest of the bunch.

I didn’t say anything about Fransico Vargas. Maybe to my shame, but I had to look up which Vargas u were talking about. Still I didn’t mention anything about his case. Erik Morales is my favourite fighter, and I think he did take Clen knowingly cause he was out of shape, needed to make weight, late in his career etc. and I feel he can be a real piece of work. Still I have no proof of that and either do you. Erik started the tainted meat defence. U can’t tell me you know for sure Morales took Clen knowingly like u said in bold type. Just like u have no way to be sure Canelo didn’t take clen knowingly either. My personal opinion based on no facts is that they most likely both took it, and of course Erik way more likely. I’ve also taken plenty of Clen in my life, so I might see things with a jaundiced eye.