Comments Thread For: Fury vs. Joshua: Hearn Aims To Nail Down Two-Fight Deal

[theface07]

Hearn acts like he's in the driver seat of making this fight. Fight isn't happening on DAZN, Arum would not allow that especially with ESPN wanting to make it a PPV fight. Only way this fight happens is if AJ and Hearn agree to make this a ESPN ppv fight in Vegas.

Says a guy who has absolutely no control or ownership over either platform. You don't know what's going to happen. Such a massive fight creates the need for compromises. Anything is possible. ****, the Saudis may buy the rights to this fight with all their oil money and since DAZN and Matchroom have already put on events there, it's definitely a possibility.

[Zelda]

Anthony Joshua's best bet against Fury is to wait till Fury loses interest and isn't motivated enough. Then he can beat him because I honestly do not see AJ having anything over a fit, motivated Fury.

[Caught Square]

Massive unifications in the biggest fight in boxing and arguably the biggest event in pro sports takes precident over mandatories. Don't you know that?

If he recently became mandatory then yeah but if this two fight deal was to take place he wouldn’t get a shot until mid to late 2021 despite becoming mandatory last June and the WBO ordering his title shot last December.

Plus Joshua vacating the belt won’t affect how big the fight is, like I said it’s not the end of the world but it would just be nice to have an official undisputed champ.

To be honest I’m not even getting my hopes up with what Hearn is saying, I fully expect Fury to dust off Wilder again and fight the last fight on his contract later this year against maybe Whyte, with Joshua fighting Pulev and Usyk, then they fight each over for the first time in 2021. Anything sooner would be a pleasant surprise.

[Eff Pandas]

You are either a bias Wilder fanboy or you know next to nothing about boxing to make a ridiculous statement like that. Joshua is 10 times the boxer Wilder is

You say I'm a Wilder fanboy & then your first comment is AJ is 10x better than Wilder? GTFO here with that silliness. Fair play if you think he's better than Wilder. I wouldn't argue with that cuz I ultimately think it's a close fight between them as I've said before either of them lost & am still saying after both have lost. But Fury isn't even 10x better than Wilder or AJ & I think he's head of the class by a nice margin.

[Eff Pandas]

Fury already said an amateur AJ surprised him in sparring. Don't buy the hype. Whatever Wilder is, he is not a skilled boxer. Once Fury gets in with someone who is big, can box and can punch - things change. Fury looked average against Wallin and those bums he fought before the first Wilder fight...

Also don't forget Fury already turned down an AJ fight. This fight will be closer than you think

Good luck with your picks &/or betting that's all I'll say.

I think surprising Fury as a amateur & surprising him 8 yrs later are two very different things also.

For all the folks hitting me up on my comments I'm not seeing anything suggesting I'm wrong about this being a 70/30 to 80/20 Fury leaning fight & far far less mention of factual things that give AJ the edge in this fight. Respect to AJ if he does win, but I think it'll be a hard one for him to win outside of Fury going off the rails or some sketchy ref or sketchy judging.

[Cool Scant]

I mean you say success but the fight didn’t break even. He took home 25 million dollars and dazn offered him 40 mil for one of the aj fights. Looking at it that way I really can’t see how the offer is as egregious as you’re making out.

How do you know that the fight didn’t break even? Arum said it did 1.2M in the US alone and is projected to do 800k in the UK. I’ve never heard of this break even argument to discredit a fight until wilders rise in popularity. The lengths you guys will go to hate wilder have no bounds lol I mean what was the break even point for Ruiz v Joshua 2. If AJ really got paid $85M which I highly doubt then that fight lost money. Canelo is getting paid $35M per what is the break even point for his fights? DAZN is losing money hand over fist. Now all of a sudden wilder haters are concerned about the break even point because the fury 2 fight grossed more revenue than any fight in heavyweight history and the AJ fans who love to brag about money can’t stand it lol

[Cool Scant]

Do you even know what Skipper apologised for? He apologised for trying to rush the deal. He apologised for not developing a relationship with Dinkle and Haymon. Apologised for being too brash and thinking Wilder would see the opportunity and grab it with both hands. Basically, he’s saying to Winkle and Haymon...”hey dudes, I’m not a bad guy, I won’t bad mouth and expose you like Hearn, let’s keep this door open for the future.”

DAZN isn’t a simple PPV service so everybody gets a flat fee lol AJ’s side would have been a flat fee. As for the UK PPV, why would Wilder get a cut of that when AJ has surpassed one million on four or five difference occasions? His highest UK PPV is just north of 1.5m (twice). If it did 2m then it would be fair to give Wilder the difference, but that’s it. However, that’s just looking at it from the Matchroom/AJ perspective, which is completely legitimate. My personal opinion would be, f&ck it, give Wilder a 35-40% split of the UK PPV. But even Wildettes would cry about that.

And yes, Fury should indeed get the same offer, give or take a few million. However, Fury has network obligations in the US, so there is a few obvious issues there. Wilder had no network obligations and could fight wherever he wanted. As for Fury and the UK PPV, he quite obviously and inarguably would deserve a higher cut than Wilder.

You can’t really talk about Fury’s live gate in a foreign country when Wilder does just as bad and he’s a native lol I can guarantee Fury vs. Schwartz or Wallin would be a sell out anywhere in the UK or Ireland. Even in most countries in Europe, yet Wilder can’t fill half a stadium when fighting his fellow countryman (Breazeale) in his own country. A-side vs. B-side. It’s clear who is who between AJ vs. Wilder AND Fury vs. Wilder.

Skipper said they (DAZN) knew they messed up when the meeting concluded and knew they wouldn’t be successful. When skipper flat out says he messed up how is wilder to blame for not taking a deal where he was not privy to the split. Although DAZN doesn’t use the PPV model fighter a purse + fighter b purse equals the split. And how did Hearn expose wilder and Finkel ahh (don’t even answer if it involves lies misinformation and UK propaganda.)
Fury sold about 3000 tickets in both US fight and wilder at least did double in both the breazeale and ortiz fights so it is not the same.
You AJ fans are really naive if you think Bob Arum is dumb enough to take a flat fee offer from Hearn and AJ where they don’t know the split therefore would not be privy to the gross revenue of the event. This time next year you will be saying that fury ducked AJ meanwhile it’s almost universally recognized that a flat fee offer on an undisputed fight of this magnitude is a non starter.

[15 Rounds again]

Hearn will jinx himself again focus at next fight first . Never know what can happen in the 3rd fury/wilder fight . Big boys one punch ��. They fight less then a month apart but Hearn is greedy Sob !

Nah, it's not greed, it's the simple fact that he can now have someone answer his phone calls and emails to try and make a unification fight. You know that Wilder and Finkel wouldn't even do that right?

[Fabes88]

How do you know that the fight didn’t break even? Arum said it did 1.2M in the US alone and is projected to do 800k in the UK. I’ve never heard of this break even argument to discredit a fight until wilders rise in popularity. The lengths you guys will go to hate wilder have no bounds lol I mean what was the break even point for Ruiz v Joshua 2. If AJ really got paid $85M which I highly doubt then that fight lost money. Canelo is getting paid $35M per what is the break even point for his fights? DAZN is losing money hand over fist. Now all of a sudden wilder haters are concerned about the break even point because the fury 2 fight grossed more revenue than any fight in heavyweight history and the AJ fans who love to brag about money can’t stand it lol

Lmao. Now we are believing arum? I don’t know
Where you got that figure from but last week boxing scene reported it needed to do 1.2 million to break even and
it did between 600,000 and 750,000. It’s not an argument to discredit wilder it’s cold hard facts. Don’t forget how much money was spent advertising the fight including an advert at the Super Bowl.

There’s nothing not to stand. Aj made as much against povetkin as wilder and fury made against each other. There’s levels to their earning power and aJ is a level above it’s just facts. Aj didn’t make 85 million against Ruiz either lol.

[Cool Scant]

Lmao. Now we are believing arum? I don’t know
Where you got that figure from but last week boxing scene reported it needed to do 1.2 million to break even and
it did between 600,000 and 750,000. It’s not an argument to discredit wilder it’s cold hard facts. Don’t forget how much money was spent advertising the fight including an advert at the Super Bowl.

There’s nothing not to stand. Aj made as much against povetkin as wilder and fury made against each other. There’s levels to their earning power and aJ is a level above it’s just facts. Aj didn’t make 85 million against Ruiz either lol.

How is cold hard facts when it takes weeks sometimes months to count all of the PPVs? Arum is the promoter and he said it did about 1.2M https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.***...-ppv-buys/amp/ he would know better than some over zealous reporter looking to break a story first. Why not believe Arum? You believe everything Eddie Hearn says. Hearn said Ruiz v Robot II broke the UK ppv the day of the fight. How the hell did he know that when all of the PPVs weren’t counted yet? It took 3 weeks for BARB to release Ruiz🤖II ppv and it was 1.5+M. Then BARB comes back a few days later and counted 250k more ppvs and that’s how Joshua v Ruiz II broke the record. Nobody questions those fact because nobody has time to hate on Joshua.
I have a source that AJ made £8M v Povetkin https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bir...r-12957928.amp
Not even close to what wilder and fury made. You claim AJ is levels above in earning power but the truth is wilder v Fury broke the heavyweight record for live gate revenue with less than a quarter of the attendance of Joshua v Klitschko and it wasn’t even close. You’re obviously low balling wilder v fury 2 ppv Numbers to fit you agenda. Idk where you got that 600K number from but 850K - 1.2M like Arum said at $80 a pop grossed more revenue than AJs 1.6M at £25. Only AJ fans try to spin the highest grossing fight in heavyweight history as a failure lol
If this isn’t about hating on wilder, then tell me the break even point for Ruiz v Joshua 2