Why do people act like this heavyweight era isn’t a great one?

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  • famicommander
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    #11
    Originally posted by BangEM
    Who did Shannon Briggs beat? I don’t even rate Ortiz but he’ll mop the floor with Botha.
    He beat reigning lineal champion George Foreman and reigning WBO champion Siarhei Liakhovich, right after Liakhovich ended Lamon Brewster's WBO title reign he began by beating Wlad.

    Nobody becomes 2X heavyweight champion of the world by accident.

    Prime Briggs would knock out Dillian Whyte in the first round.

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    • Dariusz
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      #12
      Generally, I do agree, it is not bad a time for HW. Certainly worse than the late 70-ties (with Ali, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Holmes, etc.) but, simultaneously, at least equal to 90-ties (with Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, etc.) and certainly better than Kliczko era.

      P.S. Golota (of course with a brain transplant) would wipe the floor today with everyone except probably Fury and Joshua.

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      • Lopez_Boxing
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        #13
        Originally posted by Madison boxing
        Reason its considered weak on here is because all 4 belts are held by UK fighters, if Joshua and Fury were American they would be saying we are in a golden era of heavyweight boxing. Same way 147 is considered the best because American fighters are the dominant force in the division. Its always been that way, a division is weak or 'not what it was' if its best fighters are European. In my opinion the heavy weight division is the most exciting in boxing at the moment, by quite a distance.
        That May be the reason some say it isn't a golden era. But there being a couple good British HWs May be the reason It is a golden ear.

        Fact is, it isnt a gold era. All the guys are pretty evenly matched, makes it competitive but theres not 6-7 standouts. It's just a bunch of mediocre guys

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        • R-Hand Southpaw
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          #14
          Its weak because we dont get the fights we want to see. Everyone just wants to fight 3 guys and those 3 guys dont fight anyone else.

          I think in next 3 years could be good. Parker and povretkin are gate keepers imo. Solid but not elite. Well see what Usyk does. If Fury can beat AJ. If Wilder can quit making excuses. There are also a few big prospects who have yet to make a name.

          Not interesting now. Could be soon

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          • sicko
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            #15
            Better Question?

            WTF Makes it So Great?

            Sorry forgive me for witnessing TRUE GREATNESS and having high standards then someone who is probably NEW to boxing and don't know sh#t about boxing or its great history so their standards are extremely low so they're grasping to see greatness to the point in which they now just throw that word "GREAT" around like it is nothing. By the way it was called a Weak ERA even with Wilder as Champion so yeah "Because No Americans..." that is a FAILED argument

            Greatness is EARNED it is not given out just because you have a huge Man Crush on a boxer

            Larry Holmes ERA was considered weak as well so no please stop with the Countrymen Narrative that "Oh because it is not an American..." blah blah blah wasn't Wilder WBC Champ for how long and yet still people (myself especially) was calling this ERA WEAK and how all of them are overrated (by people like you)

            Ignorance is not an excuse when most of these guys careers are uploaded on youtube, go study history before you try to have a discussion about it.

            It is a Weak ERA because the overall talent is WEAK and most of them are Unproven...hell even the guys at the top still have a lot to prove. Let them EARN GREATNESS and stop trying to talk people into believing they're already Greats.

            You guys are F#cking Hypocrites too, you bash Wilder or Fury or AJ but then want to turn around and proclaim one of them as "GREAT" that doesn't even make sense. So for example (for the Simple People), if you run around saying "FURY IS GREAT" but then also turn around and Call Wilder and AJ BUMS...you too are saying and Admitting that This ERA IS SH#T!
            Last edited by sicko; 02-29-2020, 03:48 PM.

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            • Nash out
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              #16
              To over glorify Mike Tyson's resume. They pretend people he beat were better than anyone now, when in reality,nobody he beat would be top 15 today.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Madison boxing
                Reason its considered weak on here is because all 4 belts are held by UK fighters, if Joshua and Fury were American they would be saying we are in a golden era of heavyweight boxing. Same way 147 is considered the best because American fighters are the dominant force in the division. Its always been that way, a division is weak or 'not what it was' if its best fighters are European. In my opinion the heavy weight division is the most exciting in boxing at the moment, by quite a distance.
                Great post. Too bad I can’t give you green k.

                Yanks are just mad they’re not dominating the division. The era is just as talented as any era in history and there are many Olympians with great amateur background coming through.

                So many great matchups and fights to be made in the next 5 yrs.

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                • BangEM
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by famicommander
                  He beat reigning lineal champion George Foreman and reigning WBO champion Siarhei Liakhovich, right after Liakhovich ended Lamon Brewster's WBO title reign he began by beating Wlad.

                  Nobody becomes 2X heavyweight champion of the world by accident.

                  Prime Briggs would knock out Dillian Whyte in the first round.
                  He beat 45 yr old Foreman. The rest you mentioned were bums.

                  Shannon Briggs was never great. The highlight of his career was getting battered by Savon in the amateurs. Shannon Briggs is Chisora level.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by BangEM
                    He beat 45 yr old Foreman. The rest you mentioned were bums.

                    Shannon Briggs was never great. The highlight of his career was getting battered by Savon in the amateurs. Shannon Briggs is Chisora level.
                    Briggs has the most first round KOs in boxing history, the most KOs of any heavyweight champ, and he won the title twice.

                    Liakhovich beat Lamon Brewster and Briggs knocked him out the very next fight.

                    Vitali couldn't finish Briggs off despite Briggs tearing his bicep muscle and tendon in the first round of the fight.

                    Chisora doesn't deserve to carry his robe.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by BangEM
                      We’ve a great top-2 and outside the duo, it’s very loaded. I can name at least 15 great contenders that still have room to improve.

                      The likes of Golota, Ruddock and Shannon Briggs can’t beat Dillian Whyte, Ruiz, Povetkin and Hunter. And when you look at the likes of Joyce, Dubois, Hrgovic, the French guy and all the upcoming heavies...the era is pretty deep.

                      Great point. Fury should be considered the consensus #1 but after that it is open season. Sadly the best do not always fight the best but the Joyce/Dubois fight should be great. Many of the young guns look like the real deal. There is a kid from Ohio, Jared Anderson (3-0, all k.o's) who has talent. I was ringside for his last fight. Very impressive, so far.

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