Comments Thread For: Haye: Deontay Wilder's Biggest Downfall is His Biggest Weapon

[Patsfan bri]

AJ actually hurt and dropped Ruiz, Wilder lost every second of every round. Lol

yes but wilder was in with an elite fighter Aj was not . No shame there. Still didn’t quit like AJ and say why you want but you can’t change that fact .😂

[markther]

People can make all the excuses in the world for Wilder but that was TOTAL DOMINATION from the 1st round until Mark Breland threw in the towel and the fight was stopped. I was literally watching it totally shocked. No one had Wilder’s corner stopping the fight as 1 of the outcomes last night. I mean, people probably thought Fury could possibly hit Wilder with a good shot and hurt him or knock him down because he was training at the Kronk with Sugar Hill Steward. People also knew Fury could possibly win by a decision too. But a lot of us expected the rematch to sorta resemble the 1st fight with Fury staying off the canvas this time and winning by an easy decision.

Fury not only stayed off the canvas but he won and dominated every single round. But it was the way he was winning the rounds before he stopped Wilder that completely shocked me. I was watching the fight telling my friends and posting on this forum, Wilder is getting stopped this round. Because every round, Wilder looked like a deer in headlights, in trouble, like it was only a matter of time. I am totally impressed with Fury in this rematch. And it’s only his 6th fight back after being out of boxing on drugs, severely overweight, mentally ill, depressed, contemplating suicide, etc, after the layoff of 2 years and 7 months after he walked away in 2015. You have to be inspired by what Fury pulled off unless your just a straight hater of Tyson Fury. I can only imagine how impressed Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, & Iron Mike was watching it. Fury took it to Wilder and never let up. He wanted it more. Give him his props!!!!

[jonnyc420]

yes but wilder was in with an elite fighter Aj was not . No shame there. Still didn’t quit like AJ and say why you want but you can’t change that fact .😂

It's funny you have to bring up AJ at all, guess that's your way of coping with that whooping Fury gave Wilder.

[inbetech]

Owned!!!!

Wilder was owned in the rematch! Not one solid single punch landed, damn. How can you face your fly ass wife, look at her in the eye and have sex with her? He can't! She will be thinking of the Gypsy King and he knows it, FACTS!

[Skinny kinny]

Wilder did fall in love with his power but it’s been kind of recent. It seemed to start around 2016 late to 2017. He beat arreola and Washington barely training and just sitting and waiting for knockouts.

Wilder was a runner with a big 1-2 for most of his career. That’s why he did well as a novice Olympian run 1-2 run 1-2. He beat Stiverne by boxing and moving to win the title.

This super wide stance flat footed version showed up Stiverne 2 and Ortiz 1. That’s also when the money and stardom hit. I think the whole camp and wilder started believing the press clippings.

Wilder is old but not real old at 34-35. He hasn’t taken much punishment until last night. For him to go back to being the 1-2 runner would not really be hard because it’s what he has actually been for the majority of his career.

He stopped running and did only swimming around that time too. I don’t think the plan was ever for a 6-7 under 220 come forward stalker. Unless there’s some unreported injury he would still be in the 3 or 4 fastest runners in the division if not the fastest.

The real question is who can make him train to move and then make him go back to fighting that way. It doesn’t look like this crew can.

The reason he doesn’t want to is that change will probably lower that KO percentage

[Oldskoolg]

Wilder did fall in love with his power but it’s been kind of recent. It seemed to start around 2016 late to 2017. He beat arreola and Washington barely training and just sitting and waiting for knockouts.

Wilder was a runner with a big 1-2 for most of his career. That’s why he did well as a novice Olympian run 1-2 run 1-2. He beat Stiverne by boxing and moving to win the title.

This super wide stance flat footed version showed up Stiverne 2 and Ortiz 1. That’s also when the money and stardom hit. I think the whole camp and wilder started believing the press clippings.

Wilder is old but not real old at 34-35. He hasn’t taken much punishment until last night. For him to go back to being the 1-2 runner would not really be hard because it’s what he has actually been for the majority of his career.

He stopped running and did only swimming around that time too. I don’t think the plan was ever for a 6-7 under 220 come forward stalker. Unless there’s some unreported injury he would still be in the 3 or 4 fastest runners in the division if not the fastest.

The real question is who can make him train to move and then make him go back to fighting that way. It doesn’t look like this crew can.

The reason he doesn’t want to is that change will probably lower that KO percentage

This is the best post I have are. So far. This man here is a real boxing person and not some troll clown. I have been saying the exact same thing. I saw it set in around the Molina fight. A desire to just wait and wait and wait while letting opponents come forward. Wilder does not use tactics like stepping to his right to throw the left hook, he doesn’t throw 3-4 punch combos, he doesn’t mix up combos to the head and body, he doesn’t use check left hooks, when he throws power punches he is off balance, he leans back to avoid punches while moving backwards instead of lateral movement, and he NEVER moves his head unless he is looking for an opening for the right hand. He didn’t fight stiverne this way in the first or did he fight duhapaus this way, in both those fights he showed varied strategy. After the Molina fight, the sit and wait tactics settled in and it’s wait and give away rounds and let the bigger men come in. I knew fury would win because he dominated the first fight but didn’t know it would be such a one sided beating.
Wilder needs to realise that his corner is absolutely useless. He needs to fire both Deas and Breland and get a trainer who is going to treat wilder like a student rather than a diva. Teddy Atlas comes to mind. In all those come from behind fights wilder won I never once heard his corner speak to him in a manner or with words that convey “hey man, you’re losing and your offence is non-existent”....and with force. Wilder needs a new trainer, a new way of training that includes a strength and conditioning program with power base training similar to how Caleb plant trains with sprints, plyometrics, and a dietician making his food. He also needs to get away from his family while training. No more being a diva. And take 2-3 fights with the new training team before a title shot again. If he is too ****** and stubborn to do this then he’s simply finished. Everyone’s going to fight him the exact same way and it’s only going to take one more ko like that to end his career

[REdrUm0351]

Wilder shouldn’t have fought Ortiz or Stiverne twice. I have said it before and I will say it again. You cannot develop as a fighter by wasting your time with fighters who cannot win. He needed to sharpen his skills against better fighters with a better trainer. Waiting to land 1 punch every fight isn’t always going to work especially because as he ages it will become increasingly harder to pull that trigger.

[REdrUm0351]

Wilder did fall in love with his power but it’s been kind of recent. It seemed to start around 2016 late to 2017. He beat arreola and Washington barely training and just sitting and waiting for knockouts.

Wilder was a runner with a big 1-2 for most of his career. That’s why he did well as a novice Olympian run 1-2 run 1-2. He beat Stiverne by boxing and moving to win the title.

This super wide stance flat footed version showed up Stiverne 2 and Ortiz 1. That’s also when the money and stardom hit. I think the whole camp and wilder started believing the press clippings.

Wilder is old but not real old at 34-35. He hasn’t taken much punishment until last night. For him to go back to being the 1-2 runner would not really be hard because it’s what he has actually been for the majority of his career.

He stopped running and did only swimming around that time too. I don’t think the plan was ever for a 6-7 under 220 come forward stalker. Unless there’s some unreported injury he would still be in the 3 or 4 fastest runners in the division if not the fastest.

The real question is who can make him train to move and then make him go back to fighting that way. It doesn’t look like this crew can.

The reason he doesn’t want to is that change will probably lower that KO percentage

I was thinking about this too. In my head it was a tool in his toolbox that if needed he could fight moving backwards like he did in Stiverne 1. It took 2 rounds to realize he sold that tool at a yard sale.

[Ray*]

Absolutely terrible. Jay Deas was ****** enough to make an issue of the towel being thrown saying “it’s the head coach’s decision but we are a team” just weird. The towel should have been thrown in a round earlier., he became a staggering punch bag. I’ll save my critique when the Wilderlites return in 30 days and remind me how brave Wilder is taking the trilogy fight

The people in around us were urging the ref and team to pull Wilder out, he was staggering, came back to the corner in terrible shape, we didn’t think they would send him out for the 6th round.

He can regroup and recover from the beating, not sure if he can win the trilogy but he has a chance to try.

[Patsfan bri]

It's funny you have to bring up AJ at all, guess that's your way of coping with that whooping Fury gave Wilder.

Funny how you won’t admit the truth about about Aj . Also funny how you won’t give wilder credit for showing his chin, courage and determination fighting with a ruptured ear drum will make hard to even walk a straight line let alone fight an elite 273lb heavyweight. I admit wilder got his ass handed to him last night. After the 3rd he was never the same . Again no shame in losing to an elite HW.