Usyk has a greater Cruiserweight career than Holyfield.

[dan_cov]

I'm not even sure I'd have David Haye as the best CW from the U.K not to mention he ducked all the legit threats at the weight barring a nearing 40yr old Mormeck who dropped him & gave him fits. (and was never the same after that brutal war with O' Neil Bell).

The only notable name he beat at Cruiser was Mormeck.

Criminally overrated. Terrible HW resume and his CW run isn't all that far behind.

[Thraxox]

David Haye was the WBC, WBA, WBO, Ring Magazine Champion, and would of been the IBF Champion if Mormeck did not get stripped 'He was the undisputed Crusier-weight champion, he even used to refer to himself with that status etc

David Haye was a more impressive fighter at cruiser-weight, NOBODY remembers any of Usyk's fights 'Because he does nothing special in them, due to him being just a solid fighter with zero great attributes'. David Haye knocked John Mormeck out in France to capture the WBC, WBO & Ringmazine titles, with no real backing of the British media 'Hardly any support out their for him etc'

Carl Thompson was the impetus for David Haye's rise no shame in losing to that man 'A fighter with immense durability and power' I would honestly back him to also beat Usyk.

Usyk is a overrated fighter, he has already been displaying this of late 'He is not winning any world title's at heavyweight or beating any of the top guys'.

There is a weird obsession that people within the boxing community have with fighters from the former soviet countries, they are so easily anointed with the status of being Great technical fighters. Usyk is a simple well schooled solid fighter with no real great attributes, that is exactly why he is trying to steal a vacant title at Heavyweight 'He is no David Haye or Evander Holyfield'

I am being 100% serious when I state this? Give David Price a 12 week training camp, and I would back David Price to beat Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk 'I would at-least give David Price a chance' I do not rate this man at heavyweight at all.

Nobody remembered Cruiserweight Haye, he will be remembered as the man who made excuses against Klitschko with his toe and got KO'ed by Bellew, Usyk will be remembered as the man who become undisputed under 20 fights and fought all of them in their backyard.

Okay pal. You gave me a great laugh, especially with Price KOing Usyk, and him losing to Thompson.

That is like, Oleksandr losing to a 40 year old Dennis Lebedev.

[dan_cov]

Haye ducked U.S Cunningham he could have fought Adamek, O' Neil Bell, Guillermo Jones, Diablo but instead opted to go to HW and fight a bunch of 40yr olds or pretend they never existed.

Usyk cleaned out the entire division apart from Makabu who was in a rebuilding process beating undefeated olympian Michael Hunter, the tricky Mchunu, undefeated hard hitting Breidis, Gassiev & Glowacki all on road.
A past it Huck who was likely still better than Fragomeni or Enzo at any stage of their careers.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Okay pal. You gave me a great laugh, especially with Price KOing Usyk.

Are you supremely certain that Usyk beats Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Dillian Whyte, Andy Ruiz Junior or Joseph Parker? You are most certainly not.

In this entire thread, I am the poster showing the most conviction in what I am saying 'I don't even care what this thread is about anymore, I am telling everybody that Usyk is completely overrated fighter' And in due time people within the boxing world including yourself will all understand this etc

[PRINCEKOOL]

Haye ducked U.S Cunningham he could have fought Adamek, O' Neil Bell, Guillermo Jones, Diablo but instead opted to go to HW and fight a bunch of 40yr olds or pretend they never existed.

Usyk cleaned out the entire division apart from Makabu who was in a rebuilding process beating undefeated olympian Michael Hunter, the tricky Mchunu, undefeated hard hitting Breidis, Gassiev & Glowacki all on road.
A past it Huck who was likely still better than Fragomeni or Enzo at any stage of their careers.

If Usyk is this big fearless warrior, how come his a*s has gone at heavyweight mate? How come his team did not even pick a fighter who was prepared for his first fight at heavyweight? Answer me these questions.

David Haye unified the cruiser-weight division and knocked fighters out violently, he also invaded the Heavyweight division fighting guys who out weighed him by 2-5 stone with exactly the same intentions.

All we have seen from Uysk so far at heavyweight, is his a*s completely going 'And certain people in the boxing world with a incessant fetish for eastern European fighters, suffering from complete cognitive dissonance' That is all I have seen on here, and also within the media.

[therealpugilist]

Nope, but height gives you a massive size advantage. Qawi had a great LHW but his cruiserweight run is not anything special.

if you never saw the man fight say so and move on bro...highlights dont cut it, sit and watch the fights unlike most people on this forum

dude the cruiserweights of today aint nothing special besides Usyk. wholly average guys who made for competitive exciting fights.


Height is not that big a determining factor is boxing bro....height is how tall you are, he was short with a massive reach and slippery defense. Usyk is the only guy around today that couldve beat him to be honest and in Qawi's day he fought in 15 rounders and was a high speed fighter.

[dan_cov]

If Usyk is this big fearless warrior, how come his a*s has gone at heavyweight mate? How come his team did not even pick a fighter who was prepared for his first fight at heavyweight? Answer me these questions.

David Haye unified the cruiser-weight division and knocked fighters out violently, he also invaded the Heavyweight division fighting guys who out weighed him by 2-5 stone with exactly the same intentions.

All we have seen from Uysk so far at heavyweight, is his a*s completely going 'And certain people in the boxing world with a incessant fetish for eastern European fighters, suffering from complete cognitive dissonance' That is all I have seen on here, and also within the media.

Because his original opponent failed a drug test he was also coming off a bicep injury so they took a soft touch on short notice for his first fight at HW. No worse than Haye fighting a near 40yr old Barrett who was about 3-4 in his last 7 inc brutal knockout losses to journeyman, still he put Haye on the canvas.

I don't think we can use injuries against him especially when attempting to talk up David Haye in the same breath.
Haye pulled out fights with Hobson, both Klitschko's, Tony Bellew, Tyson Fury, Manuel Charr etc etc not to mention the injury excuses in every loss he ever took.

Who did Haye ever knockout violently? He fought some of the most chinny fighters to ever lace them up and still didn't exactly knock them out violently. He could punch a bit for sure but I have no idea why he is spoke of like he's some ATG puncher or something

[Marchegiano]

Comparing losses from retired fighters records to active fighters records?

[Thraxox]

Comparing losses from retired fighters records to active fighters records?

Just cruiserweight, since basically, Usyk's career as a cruiser is over.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Because his original opponent failed a drug test he was also coming off a bicep injury so they took a soft touch on short notice for his first fight at HW. No worse than Haye fighting a near 40yr old Barrett who was about 3-4 in his last 7 inc brutal knockout losses to journeyman, still he put Haye on the canvas.

I don't think we can use injuries against him especially when attempting to talk up David Haye in the same breath.
Haye pulled out fights with Hobson, both Klitschko's, Tony Bellew, Tyson Fury, Manuel Charr etc etc not to mention the injury excuses in every loss he ever took.

Who did Haye ever knockout violently? He fought some of the most chinny fighters to ever lace them up and still didn't exactly knock them out violently. He could punch a bit for sure but I have no idea why he is spoke of like he's some ATG puncher or something

David Haye underwent career ending surgery, and it was a minor miracle that he was able to mount his comeback 'Everyone in the boxing world who does not have a Fetish for Eastern European Fighters, understands that David Haye was a bigger puncher than Usyk by miles' and a by far more exciting fighter at cruiser-weight with a vividly more violent style.

Is Usyk going to win a world title at heavyweight, be honest? You are not certain that Usyk win's a title a heavyweight or even beats any of the top fighters 'You are suffering from cognitive dissonance'.

I am telling you that Usyk's a*s has completely gone at heavyweight, and he is overrated fighter 'Just a solid all around fighter who has mastered the fundamentals' as a fighter he has zero attributes which you can described as great.

If his first opponent had pulled out at heavyweight, I am sure matchroom and his team could of asked for a better opponent 'Monte Barrett was a fighter who was prepared 'He was also coming off 4 stoppage wins before he fought David Haye'.

David Haye's KO percentage speaks for itself only 2 of his winning performances where via points decision. Out of his 28 wins 26 where by Knock Out/Stoppage only two where by points decision.

Usyk is playing in the heavyweight division now mate, none of his fetish fans can dupe me or? Anyone else who can critically analyse fighters and their performances etc