Usyk has a greater Cruiserweight career than Holyfield.

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  • Szef
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    #61
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
    Jean Mormeck had the IBF belt stripped from him just before fighting David Haye, he never lost the IBF title inside of the ring 'David Haye's feat of unifying the division, was more impressive than Usyk's'.

    David Haye was the undisputed Cruiser-weight world champion 'Adamek spent half his career being bashed about by Chad Dawson, Haye would of taken him out violently'.
    And Haye never won IBF inside the ring. He never was the undisputed champ.

    Adamek at least fought Dawson. His resume at CW is better than Haye's and he would've beaten that fraud to a pulp if Haye had the balls to fight him.

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    • QueensburyRules
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      #62
      Originally posted by Thraxox
      Usyk's opponents during his cruiserweight run and what they did after. ( only counting during Usyk's championship.)

      Glowacki - 26-0 WBO Cruiserweight Champ
      Breidis - 23 - 0 - 1 WBC Cruiswerweight champ
      Marco Huck - 40-4-1 Former WBC Cruiserweight champ
      Tony Bellew - 30-2-1 Former WBC Cruiserweight Champ
      Micheal Hunter - 12-0 No.1 WBA Contender
      Murat Gassiev - 26-0 IBF and WBA Cruiserweight Champ

      Evander Holyfield ( Only countring during Holyfield's championship)

      Ossie Ocasio - 21-4, ended his career with 23-13 WBA Cruiserweight Champ
      Carlos De Leon - 44-4 Holyfield's best win in cruiserweight ended at 53-8-1 WBC & Lineal Champ
      Rickey Parkey-- 20-5 ended his career at 22-20 IBF Cruiswerweight champ
      Dwight Muhammad Qawi - 26-2-1. WBA Cruiswerweight champ.
      - -Nice try, but Field was in the experimental noob cruiser division what would be classed today as the Jr Cruiser division.

      Usyk in Field days would have a better heavy record than Field whose heavy record is 28-10-2, or alternately 19-8-2, 8 KOs for the next 20 yrs after he being emasculated by Big George.

      Yup, jus da facts, ma'am!

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        #63
        Originally posted by Szef
        And Haye never won IBF inside the ring. He never was the undisputed champ.

        Adamek at least fought Dawson. His resume at CW is better than Haye's and he would've beaten that fraud to a pulp if Haye had the balls to fight him.
        Adamek has never been described as a great cruiser-weight 'Nobody speaks of him as one of the greatest cruiser-weights, David Haye & Evander Holyfield are fighters that get spoken about in this manner' Not Adamek EVER.

        Go back to the Lounge Szef.

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          #64
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules
          - -Qawi kicked out of LH by Mike Spinks. Tubby Qawi has a miserable record above 190...what grade U in?
          Spinks is arguably the greatest LHW in history. What drugs you been smoking?

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            #65
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
            Usyk is a overrated fighter, he has already been displaying this of late 'He is not winning any world title's at heavyweight or beating any of the top guys'.

            There is a weird obsession that people within the boxing community have with fighters from the former soviet countries, they are so easily anointed with the status of being Great technical fighters. Usyk is a simple well schooled solid fighter with no real great attributes, that is exactly why he is trying to steal a vacant title at Heavyweight 'He is no David Haye or Evander Holyfield'.
            ^This

            Bumlovkin, Kan Krusher Kovalev, Lomafako and now Usyk - all good solid fighters - but have never done anything that legitimately should be considered great. However, you'd think they were collectively the top 4 greatest fighters all time if you gave their legions of nut huggers any merit. I've never seen fighters get so much credit for having done so little.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Szef
              And Haye never won IBF inside the ring. He never was the undisputed champ.

              Adamek at least fought Dawson. His resume at CW is better than Haye's and he would've beaten that fraud to a pulp if Haye had the balls to fight him.
              Adamek Dawson was @ 175lbs...

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                #67
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules
                Usyk in Field days would have a better heavy record than Field
                No. In no way, shape or form is Usyk competitive with the top HW's of the '90s. Not even close..

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                • Citizen Koba
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                  #68
                  I would say so, yes, I wouldn't want to argue H2H and I'll be incredibly surprised if Oleksandr can replicate Evander's success at HW, but just rated on their respective Cruiser runs and how they both accomplished what they did I've no trouble with having Usyk as the greater.

                  Whichever way you cut it however they're #1 and #2 with no-one else even particularly close.
                  Last edited by Citizen Koba; 04-05-2020, 12:45 PM.

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                  • White Mandela
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                    #69
                    Better CRUISERWEIGHT Usyk or Holyfield?

                    Nothing they did after CW counts, purely taking about what they did at that weight. Not who had the better career.

                    I think it’s clearly Usyk as he consistently fought top opposition on the road in the away corner.

                    He beat 5 former or current champs in their country and also Michael Hunter in the USA who we’ve seen is a solid fighter. That’s legit greatness!

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                    • hansS
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                      #70
                      Holyfield easily.

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