Why is there so much hate on NSB for GGG?

[Lance98]

He contradicts himself a lot, was over-hyped by HBO, lied about many things like fighting everyone/getting all belts, but avoids fights that are challenging and convince people that he is being "ducked", constantly chases canelo by making decisions based on what canelo does, yet had the cheek to diss reporters asking about a canelo fight, arguably lost the jacobs/chenko fights, yet he cries about getting cheated in the canelo 2 fights. It's all out there for you to see and research if you have been following boxing for a while. There is still WAY more to be said, but I will leave it at that.

[Boxing_1013]

If you knew how to score a fight I would actually care...You gave GGG like 100 rounds to 3

Post your two fights round-by-round scores again? I can use a laugh.

Fight 1
1 - GGG close
2 - Canelo close
3 - GGG pretty clear
4-6 Always have GGG winning 2 of 3 of these...probably closer to 3-0 GGG here than 2-1 Canelo.

4-2 GGG through 6

7-9 - GGG clear
10- very even, edge to Canelo...as close to a 10-10 round as I'll ever give
11 - close, edge to GGG
12 - close, edge to Canelo

8-4 GGG

Fight 2
1-3 - very close...have had it 2-1 for each guy through 3
4-5 GGG clear
6 - close...always shade it to who I have down 2-1

So GGG 4-2 through 6

7-8 - very close, split them
9-11 - clear GGG
12 - close, shade to Canelo

8-4 GGG

Why don't you go ahead and show yours now boss

[PAC-BOY]

Because of racism !

[Jubei]

Most of the haters wish they had an african american fighter like GGG. Their hatred is the highest form of respect and admiration mixed with a ton of insecurity and pathos.

Just look at where the hatred comes from. From the usual suspects, the very bottom of NSB, the lowlifes, the racists, the tribalists, the LDBC clowns.

[Boxing_1013]

I find that hard to believe. Aren't you the same poster that said Ward didn't clearly beat Froch and fought at home all the time? Neither of those statements are true.


If you can't at least give Ward the same respect you give Golovkin then you can't complain about the criticism Golovkin gets.

Lol...it's absolutely true - as far as me treating fighters based on how they perform and not how they look...you can believe whatever you want though my friend...btw, how are you going to try and say Ward didn't fight at home all the time? Like what.

And Ward and GGG are not the same guy, are they? Race aside, they are different fighters, with different careers, and different styles...and I saw different things from them in the ring...I feel I give any fighter respect, but if I see different things from them in the ring, then I will view them differently as fighters and will view their level accordingly.

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else...or perhaps you are misrepresenting my comments about Ward, intentionally or not idk...I've said the only clear win for Ward against a good fighter in his career was vs Froch imho, and I had that 7-5 for Ward...but I think that was the right score, and don't really see how Froch could have done much better than that on any card..Ward coasted in some of the rounds which made it closer than it should have been...2 of the 3 judges in that fight had it 7-5 for Ward as well.

I feel Ward, unlucky or not, did not have another clear, non-controversial win in his career over a good fighter...Kov 1 (as I've said, the worst 'robbery' I've ever seen live); Kov 2 (which was competitive compared to the 1st fight, but the lowblows, especially ending on lowblows, marred that fight - and I still had Andre down 5-2 at the time of stoppage); Kessler (which I had Ward winning comfortably but was unfortunately marred by headbutts as we know)...Dawson (the move down from 175 to 168 marred that as we know).

And yeah, Ward never traveled, did he? He had chances to face Froch in a big money rematch in the UK, and to face Bute for big money in Canada...and even after Kov could have targeted Stevenson for a big money unification in Canada...but he never wanted to do it? He dropped his belt vs Dirrell with a rather poor excuse imho (that the networks wouldn't want the fight).

I mean I just think he was a very protected fighter...and yeah when I saw him face Sullivan Barrera or Sakio Bika...and I'm watching those fights, just scoring them for the better man and who is the better boxer...I did not see Andre Ward separate really at all vs those guys...they were very very close fights on my card, and I think others that actually scored them would view them the same way.

If Ward didn't fight all of his fights at home/wasn't promoted the right way/protected as a US fighter, I just, imho, think his career and record would look much different...that's how I saw it with him.

I think he was a very tough smart fighter...I always say that about him...I do think he was full of sh.it outside the ring as well, but inside the ring he was a long day, especially if he could get away with the darks arts at which he was well trained.

Again, all I can say - is if GGG was fighting all of his fights in Kazhakstan and about half of them in his hometown of Karaganda, and was grinding out some (in my view) unimpressive decisions against solid pros...and then getting some very favorable cards and reffing in those fights.

And then also getting some very favorable cards and reffing in his other fights at home vs the better pros as well...I would view him and his record/level with a bit of a grain of salt...think Sven Ottke but not as ridiculous obviously.

If Ward was from Burkina Faso and was KOing everyone in sight and if I saw an ATG jab from him every fight, with great power chin etc, then I would be very impressed with him and would rate him accordingly...all I can say.

[UNBANNED]

Fight 1
1 - GGG close
2 - Canelo close
3 - GGG pretty clear
4-6 Always have GGG winning 2 of 3 of these...probably closer to 3-0 GGG here than 2-1 Canelo.
7-9 - GGG clear
10- very even, edge to Canelo...as close to a 10-10 round as I'll ever give
11 - close, edge to GGG
12 - close, edge to Canelo

8-4 GGG

1 - either way
2 - Canelo
3 - Canelo
4 - GGG
5 - GGG
6 - Canelo
7-9 GGG
10 - either way
11-12 - Canelo

5-5

[Lance98]

Most of the haters wish they had an african american fighter like GGG. Their hatred is the highest form of respect and admiration mixed with a ton of insecurity and pathos.

Just look at where the hatred comes from. From the usual suspects, the very bottom of NSB, the lowlifes, the racists, the tribalists, the LDBC clowns.

There is a HUGE difference between plain hating and posting facts that hurt. Learn it.

[Boxing_1013]

There is a HUGE difference between plain hating and posting facts that hurt. Learn it.

If he was black...I think you would have a totally different opinion on him than you do...call that what you will but I think that sums it up for a lot of GGG's Mexican and black detractors.

There is a lot of stuff to critique for any fighter...and GGG is no different...but yeah as you showed in your post, you are way out in left field and so emotional/angry when it comes to GGG...your dislike for him has almost everything to do with race, it seems, and little to do with his ability, or the 'facts'.

Lol and the only ones that sound 'hurt' over any of this are the 'haters'...you guys sound super emotional every time you post about GGG.

[Lance98]

If he was black...I think you would have a totally different opinion on him than you do...call that what you will but I think that sums it up for a lot of GGG's Mexican and black detractors.

There is a lot of stuff to critique for any fighter...and GGG is no different...but yeah as you showed in your post, you are way out in left field and so emotional/angry when it comes to GGG...your dislike for him has almost everything to do with race, it seems, and little to do with his ability, or the 'facts'.

Lol and the only ones that sound 'hurt' over any of this are the 'haters'...you guys sound super emotional every time you post about GGG.

If I see a slip up, I will not hesitate to call it out, and that's how I am wired. I look for patterns in these boxers. GGG is just not very believable, was over-hyped and has integrity issues. What has race got to do with this?

[joseph5620]

Lol...it's absolutely true - as far as me treating fighters based on how they perform and not how they look...you can believe whatever you want though my friend...btw, how are you going to try and say Ward didn't fight at home all the time? Like what.

And Ward and GGG are not the same guy, are they? Race aside, they are different fighters, with different careers, and different styles...and I saw different things from them in the ring...I feel I give any fighter respect, but if I see different things from them in the ring, then I will view them differently as fighters and will view their level accordingly.

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else...or perhaps you are misrepresenting my comments about Ward, intentionally or not idk...I've said the only clear win for Ward against a good fighter in his career was vs Froch imho, and I had that 7-5 for Ward...but I think that was the right score, and don't really see how Froch could have done much better than that on any card..Ward coasted in some of the rounds which made it closer than it should have been...2 of the 3 judges in that fight had it 7-5 for Ward as well.

I feel Ward, unlucky or not, did not have another clear, non-controversial win in his career over a good fighter...Kov 1 (as I've said, the worst 'robbery' I've ever seen live); Kov 2 (which was competitive compared to the 1st fight, but the lowblows, especially ending on lowblows, marred that fight - and I still had Andre down 5-2 at the time of stoppage); Kessler (which I had Ward winning comfortably but was unfortunately marred by headbutts as we know)...Dawson (the move down from 175 to 168 marred that as we know).

And yeah, Ward never traveled, did he? He had chances to face Froch in a big money rematch in the UK, and to face Bute for big money in Canada...and even after Kov could have targeted Stevenson for a big money unification in Canada...but he never wanted to do it? He dropped his belt vs Dirrell with a rather poor excuse imho (that the networks wouldn't want the fight).

I mean I just think he was a very protected fighter...and yeah when I saw him face Sullivan Barrera or Sakio Bika...and I'm watching those fights, just scoring them for the better man and who is the better boxer...I did not see Andre Ward separate really at all vs those guys...they were very very close fights on my card, and I think others that actually scored them would view them the same way.

If Ward didn't fight all of his fights at home/wasn't promoted the right way/protected as a US fighter, I just, imho, think his career and record would look much different...that's how I saw it with him.

I think he was a very tough smart fighter...I always say that about him...I do think he was full of sh.it outside the ring as well, but inside the ring he was a long day, especially if he could get away with the darks arts at which he was well trained.

Again, all I can say - is if GGG was fighting all of his fights in Kazhakstan and about half of them in his hometown of Karaganda, and was grinding out some (in my view) unimpressive decisions against solid pros...and then getting some very favorable cards and reffing in those fights.

And then also getting some very favorable cards and reffing in his other fights at home vs the better pros as well...I would view him and his record/level with a bit of a grain of salt...think Sven Ottke but not as ridiculous obviously.

If Ward was from Burkina Faso and was KOing everyone in sight and if I saw an ATG jab from him every fight, with great power chin etc, then I would be very impressed with him and would rate him accordingly...all I can say.

He didn't fight at home all the time. That's a false statement. A nice way of saying it's a lie. When did Ward get a questionable decision in Oakland on the scorecards? Ward clearly beat Kovalev in the second fight even though you want to taint it as if it was questionable.


Ward had a better career than Golovkin and beat better fighters. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Seeing that you can't give him the credit he deserved is rich considering you're complaining about the criticism of Golovkin and your perception of "racism" towards him.

Maybe you should look at yourself when you throw out those accusations. Because you are pretty biased on this topic although you're trying to come across as objective. I see right through it.