What are you scoring in fights/boxing matches?

[Robbie Barrett]

Establish the jab. Everyone on this board have heard trainers say that to their fighter. Larry Holmes was a prime example how a fighter can use his jab to seize control of a fight not going the way he wanted. Compubox did a dirty when they broke jabs off and segregated them from the other punches in a fighter's arsenal.

Nobody should use compubox. Compubox is bull**** and always wrong.

[Robbie Barrett]

Great article for those who haven't seen it:

"Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.

So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.

Now, there's no mathematical formula that equates the number of punches with the hardness of the punch. The judge has to weigh the two based on his experience. But more important than the number of punches or the hardness of the punch is the effect of the punch. For example, a seemingly lighter punch that causes a boxer to stagger is scored higher than a seemingly harder punch that has no effect.

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing."

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

Are you the poster that was arguing Golovkin beat Canelo in the 2nd fight using this article and Steve Weisfeld opinion? Then it was pointed out to you that Steve Weisfeld was an official judge that scored it for Canelo? That was pure self ownage.

[Spray_resistant]

Nobody should use compubox. Compubox is bull**** and always wrong.

Very true, it can't measure effectiveness and many other variables of what is happening in a rd.

It is also wildly inaccurate with the end of the fight punch totals very often I find.

[KingHippo]

Thanks...good post



Bro...saying your cards are usually close to at least one judge...I mean come on man.

They are. I had both Badou Jack vs Bute and Canelo vs GGG 1 a draw, as well as judges, when most of the boxing public at both of these as a blatant robbery(???). I also gave Canelo the nod against Lara because of Lara's lack of ring generalship. But I should go with the 99.9%?

Defense is definitely important...but you don't actively score it...it is important because if you have good defense, you are taking away from your opponent's ability to score on you.

If you actively give points for defense, you are basically scoring it twice.

Read the bold part of Tony's post below as well...it is a great point that for some fighters, their offense could be a form of defense...if my throwing nullifies you throwing on me, or even attempting to score, well my defense is pretty good isn't it?

What does that have to do with anything? In this hypothetical case, then yes, aggression can also be defense. What about the large majority of cases when it's down to simply not getting hurt slipping punches and using evasive footwork????

[solid_jab1987]

I feel like this would be a killer question for The Breadman. Why do we have all these different scoring criteria if we're only scoring effective punching at the end of the day? If the others are only important in order to land punches then why have them in at all? Pretty interesting really...

[Boxing_1013]

Are you the poster that was arguing Golovkin beat Canelo in the 2nd fight using this article and Steve Weisfeld opinion? Then it was pointed out to you that Steve Weisfeld was an official judge that scored it for Canelo? That was pure self ownage.

I think I've explained this to you before...it's actually funny to me that you're owning yourself here by not being able to differentiate between the two situations

On one hand, I pointed out one day what a respected judge (Weisfeld) says he, and every other judge he knows, looks for in judging a fight.

Unrelated to that post, I've said elsewhere that I felt GGG beat Canelo 8-4 twice...that Weisfeld scored the second of those fights and scored it 7-5 to Nelo is immaterial.

I never said I felt Weisfeld scored every fight well, or the more obvious answer - that judges in Vegas (and for all A-sides really) for Canelo turn in some bad/shady cards...anyone pointing first/only to the scorecards in a Canelo fight as evidence that he won, is not a serious person imho as far as boxing analysis goes.

The point of the Weisfeld article and comments is an attempt to help those on here who clearly love/follow boxing...but are a bit misguided as to exactly how to score a round...I think Steve explains what we should all look for, and what all pro judges DO look for, very well.

But yes I think very often, especially in big fights, judges turn in bad cards...not through incompetence, but through corruption...incidentally I think Steve is usually pretty good...but everyone knows their role in Canelo fights...and it is to get Canelo as many rounds as he needs to win.

Hope this lesson helps ya

[Boxing_1013]

Nobody should use compubox. Compubox is bull**** and always wrong.

Very true, it can't measure effectiveness and many other variables of what is happening in a rd.

It is also wildly inaccurate with the end of the fight punch totals very often I find.

Afaik it's just two guys counting punches...so like anyone, sometimes they get it wrong, sometimes right...but yeah it is just a guide.

I thought compubox was way off for example in Pac-Horn...Horn did a lot more work to my eye than he was given credit for.

But in a lot of fights, they more or less back up what I see...for example in the 2 GGG-Canelo fights...GGG was basically outlanding Canelo every round, and outlanded him overall by big margins...compubox helps to tell the story there, at least to my eye.

And if anyone can point to one round where Canelo lands quite a few more punches than GGG, please let me know...I've never seen one in their 24 rounds...compubox gives Canelo about a 5 punch edge in round 6 of fight 2...but I always have that round as very even, both on punch count and also who won the round.

[Boxing_1013]

Are you the poster that was arguing Golovkin beat Canelo in the 2nd fight using this article and Steve Weisfeld opinion? Then it was pointed out to you that Steve Weisfeld was an official judge that scored it for Canelo? That was pure self ownage.

I feel like this would be a killer question for The Breadman. Why do we have all these different scoring criteria if we're only scoring effective punching at the end of the day? If the others are only important in order to land punches then why have them in at all? Pretty interesting really...

This is a great article for those trying to understand how to score a round...the other criteria mentioned are important for sure!... but only as far as they allow you to 'score' on your opponent...and that is done by landing punches.

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

[Dariusz]

First option for me. Defensive skills are just used to avoid these effective punches.

[Spray_resistant]

This is a great article for those trying to understand how to score a round...the other criteria mentioned are important for sure!... but only as far as they allow you to 'score' on your opponent...and that is done by landing punches.

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

Thats pretty much what it comes down to scoring by landing clean effective punches because if you take away the other 3 criteria though important to whats going on in a fight you have nothing but the punches landing to score.

On the other hand if you take out clean punches and are just left with effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense.....what are you judging? Fights wouldn't be fights.

Its pretty much what its all about and how good a ring general, defensive wizard, or effective an aggressor a fighter is leads to those opportunities to land the clean punches you should be keeping the close eye on when scoring