What are you scoring in fights/boxing matches?

[Boxing_1013]

They are. I had both Badou Jack vs Bute and Canelo vs GGG 1 a draw, as well as judges, when most of the boxing public at both of these as a blatant robbery(???). I also gave Canelo the nod against Lara because of Lara's lack of ring generalship. But I should go with the 99.9%?


What does that have to do with anything? In this hypothetical case, then yes, aggression can also be defense. What about the large majority of cases when it's down to simply not getting hurt slipping punches and using evasive footwork????

To your first paragraph...my point was to say that saying that your card is usually close to at least one judge...I mean of course it would be man...that doesn't take a lot to be usually close to just 1 judge.

I never watched Bute-Jack...but I gave Canelo the last 4 rounds vs Lara to win 7-5...he just outworked Lara and took those rounds imo...that to me is one of the 5% of fights that can go either way.

The problem again sometimes with those types of fights, or 'close' fights...is when some fans, or judges, shade all of those types of fights to their guy...maybe it is coincidence...maybe they really see them that way...but it seems more likely that they are just trying to score the fight for their guy.

On the 2nd part...my point is to say that defense is not even that easy to define...a guy who throws a lot of punches could in a way have great defense, if his volume negates his opponent from even attempting to score on him.

Similarly, someone could view a high volume puncher missing a lot, and say that his opponent showed better defense as he avoided more punches.

Defense is definitely important!!! But only because if you have good defense, you aren't allowing your opponent to score on you..that's why it is important...we aren't supposed to actively score it....great post here below:

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

[Boxing_1013]

Thats pretty much what it comes down to scoring by landing clean effective punches because if you take away the other 3 criteria though important to whats going on in a fight you have nothing but the punches landing to score.

On the other hand if you take out clean punches and are just left with effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense.....what are you judging? Fights wouldn't be fights.

Its pretty much what its all about and how good a ring general, defensive wizard, or effective an aggressor a fighter is leads to those opportunities to land the clean punches you should be keeping the close eye on when scoring

Yes exactly...Floyd did it one way...he fought defensively...but he still was outlanding his guy almost all the time, almost every round! GGG does it another way, Loma another way...but the reason why imho they win so many rounds in their fights is because they are outlanding their guy, with more or equally effective punches, very often.

Also...on the bold in your post...exactly...we would now be judging something where we could legitimately get scores all over the map!

In GGG-Canelo 1 for example...some could try to say that Canelo was the ring general and nullified GGG's effective aggression and showed better defense...it's all subjective anyway...you could say GGG missed a lot and Canelo made GGG fight his fight, whatever that means.

Whereas, someone could look at those same criteria in fight 1...and say GGG brought the fight to Canelo, landed a lot more punches, so he was the ring general and effective aggressor...and on defense, you could say GGG had better defense because Canelo's output was much lower than GGG's so GGG's defense was good enough to negate Canelo from even trying to score.

Basically when add in all these other arbitrary and easily mutable criteria...you can literally end up with cards all over the map! You could use those vague criteria to shade virtually any round anyway that you want...and that is not what it should be about!

[Boxing_1013]

First option for me. Defensive skills are just used to avoid these effective punches.

Yes agreed...

[Blond Beast]

When a gf/wife/or any significant other who has no vested interest or bias watches a fight with you, they can often give u good insight on why they thought someone won a round.

[Curtis Harper]

Are all punches equal ?

Does speed > accuracy ?

If a person lands only 3 punches (and scores a flash knockdown) while his opponent lands 20 punches, how do you score that round ?

[Spray_resistant]

Are all punches equal ?

Does speed > accuracy ?

If a person lands only 3 punches (and scores a flash knockdown) while his opponent lands 20 punches, how do you score that round ?

Absolutely not, effective punches are more valuable in terms of scoring points than pitty pat jabs or power punches from a softer hitter fighting a heavy handed puncher.

As for a kd, the fighter scoring one gets the extra point and for me to score it 10-9 instead of 10-8 the fighter who was kd would have to have totally dominated every other part of the rd and those 20 punches landed would have to been all or mostly clean and very effective.

[W1LL]

Good question. The reality is, you may have 10 people score a fight and each one bases their scoring on differing criteria.

[Curtis Harper]

Absolutely not, effective punches are more valuable in terms of scoring points than pitty pat jabs or power punches from a softer hitter fighting a heavy handed puncher.

As for a kd, the fighter scoring one gets the extra point and for me to score it 10-9 instead of 10-8 the fighter who was kd would have to have totally dominated every other part of the rd and those 20 punches landed would have to been all or mostly clean and very effective.

If we are talking about isolated punches, then 1 effective punch can be given a higher score. Hook > Jab (a rd where each guy only landed 1 punch).

But jabs are used for a couple of reasons - to set distance and to hopefully set up bigger shots/combos. Much like body blows.....

Usually, a body blow goes ignored (unless a mf'er puts in that rage). Have your opponent overreact to a feint to the body and that head will be exposed.

Shoeshining a guy (pitty patting) usually keeps a guy from throwing his own shots. They also tend to mislead a guy. TaptaptapCRACK.

I understand knockdowns are hard to come by, BUT, you have to score the entire round. That's why I don't agree with stealing rds in the final minute. You have to score the entire rd.

Case in point -
Jr vs Sergio 12th rd.....how did you score it ?
I gave that rd to Serg.

Outside of that punch, Jr was still the clumsy oaf he was in rd 1. Throw 100 punches, a lucky one may land.

Imho

[Spray_resistant]

If we are talking about isolated punches, then 1 effective punch can be given a higher score. Hook > Jab (a rd where each guy only landed 1 punch).

But jabs are used for a couple of reasons - to set distance and to hopefully set up bigger shots/combos. Much like body blows.....

Usually, a body blow goes ignored (unless a mf'er puts in that rage). Have your opponent overreact to a feint to the body and that head will be exposed.

Shoeshining a guy (pitty patting) usually keeps a guy from throwing his own shots. They also tend to mislead a guy. TaptaptapCRACK.

I understand knockdowns are hard to come by, BUT, you have to score the entire round. That's why I don't agree with stealing rds in the final minute. You have to score the entire rd.

Case in point -
Jr vs Sergio 12th rd.....how did you score it ?
I gave that rd to Serg.

Outside of that punch, Jr was still the clumsy oaf he was in rd 1. Throw 100 punches, a lucky one may land.

Imho

Jabs are useful for alot of reasons and it depends in terms of scoring them the effectiveness of the fighter's jab.

Of course body punching should hold alot of weight they debilitated fighters longer as the fight progresses.

I did give Jr a 10-8 rd Sergio got up was stumbling a bit but recovered and tried to take the rounds but he did look pretty shaken from it.

It was the only thing JR did aside from being a punching bag in that fight but it was enough to give him a 10-8 it wasn't a flash kd.

[Curtis Harper]

Jabs are useful for alot of reasons and it depends in terms of scoring them the effectiveness of the fighter's jab.

Of course body punching should hold alot of weight they debilitated fighters longer as the fight progresses.

I did give Jr a 10-8 rd Sergio got up was stumbling a bit but recovered and tried to take the rounds but he did look pretty shaken from it.

It was the only thing JR did aside from being a punching bag in that fight but it was enough to give him a 10-8 it wasn't a flash kd.

Even a half hearted jab is useful

True, it wasn't a ''flash'' knockdown (Sergio was begging Jr to land a big shot the entire fight). I still think, after Jr landed his best punch of the fight, Sergio had enough in him to outclass Jr that rd.

As you see, you would have a legit reason to score that 10-8 (decent knockdown).
While I feel, by scoring the entire rd, Sergio still had his way within that rd. An injured knee kept Sergio from really clowning Jr.

Scoring a fight isn't that easy, but, we can all collectively agree when a score was done by someone ret@rded.