I just want to see how people feel about these comments

[Earl-Hickey]

I knew ward had skills way back, All Terrain Fighter. Still he did fight in Oakland a lot. Beating Froch and Kessler were good wins but he didn’t ever blow people out at the top level. He should have lost to Kovalev the first time. I was rooting for Ward as him coming back was the exciting narrative. Like the KD was worth a point for Kovalev at first but then worked against him every round he couldn’t finish him off. He did clinch a lot. He only has 32 fights. His career isn’t close to all world. I know this is supposed to be a GGG bashing thread. But Ward prolly got overpaid if u crunch the numbers. If careers were more like his boxing would suffer. He coulda challenged Nelo @175lbs after the Kovalev fight. He’s an awkward commentator. He’s just nobodies favourite. There’s more hate for GGG than all the emotion there is for Ward. That’s perspective.

I do agree that first Kovalev fight was shady as.

Kessler and Froch, no he didn't blow them out but I see both of them as very, very good fighters, outside of Roy Jones I doubt anyone blows them out and honestly even he would probably have to work.

I think Ward did waste his talent a bit, the time period between winning the super 6 and fighting Kovalev was really disappointing

[Zaryu]

I think people overreact when boxers try to make business decisions. It seems to me that when GGG had nothing to lose he was willing to fight Ward and at that moment, the fight didn't make sense for Andre. However, once GGG had some solid hype behind his names Andre started licking his chops and truly wanted a piece of GGG. Golovkin knew he was in a better position than before and realized he didn't need to fight Ward to get the big paydays, so he wasn't willing to go out of his way to make the fight happen.

It is what it is, I don't like it when fans go out of their way to explain business decisions, but they weren't even in the same weightclass and people are making it seem like one was avoiding the other. Having said all that, I think Ward would've won if they ever fought, but he doesn't get the credit for beating GGG when he didn't actually do it.

[Blond Beast]

I think Ward would've won if they ever fought, but he doesn't get the credit for beating GGG when he didn't actually do it.

Good post. I mean there’s so much precedent in boxing and big fights have always been hard to make. Course fighters will always try and get points on faith/speculation alone. Duck a fighter until he loses, which u can use to justify yourself.

[Zaryu]

Good post. I mean there’s so much precedent in boxing and big fights have always been hard to make. Course fighters will always try and get points on faith/speculation alone. Duck a fighter until he loses, which u can use to justify yourself.

Exactly! .

[daggum]

it was clear ward wanted the easy life at that point in his career. he ducked bute as well during that same period and bute was #1 and a career high payday for him. ggg-ward was more fantasy than reality but that bute fight should have happened. hbo got pissed at ward for ducking the good fights and put him on ice. ward went to court where in court testimony his own promoter said ward refused to fight the guys hbo wanted and only wanted guys like sartison. i dont know how much more proof you need that ward didnt want to fiht ggg or other top guys.

all this happened when he was in his absolute prime and during his peak popularity too. it was in a word...mind-bobbling

[daggum]

I think people overreact when boxers try to make business decisions. It seems to me that when GGG had nothing to lose he was willing to fight Ward and at that moment, the fight didn't make sense for Andre. However, once GGG had some solid hype behind his names Andre started licking his chops and truly wanted a piece of GGG. Golovkin knew he was in a better position than before and realized he didn't need to fight Ward to get the big paydays, so he wasn't willing to go out of his way to make the fight happen.

It is what it is, I don't like it when fans go out of their way to explain business decisions, but they weren't even in the same weightclass and people are making it seem like one was avoiding the other. Having said all that, I think Ward would've won if they ever fought, but he doesn't get the credit for beating GGG when he didn't actually do it.

the problem wasnt hat he didnt want to fight ggg. like you said not even in the same division, ggg not superstar yet, etc...the problem was he didnt want to fight anyone! thats why he got kicked off hbo. when you are blatantly refusing to fight any top guy and you are being touted as one of hbo's biggest headliners what should they do? they even gave him fights like edwin rodriguez after awhile. they still wanted to be in the ward business(for some reason) and he just wouldn't oblige them.

[daggum]

I knew ward had skills way back, All Terrain Fighter. Still he did fight in Oakland a lot. Beating Froch and Kessler were good wins but he didn’t ever blow people out at the top level. He should have lost to Kovalev the first time. I was rooting for Ward as him coming back was the exciting narrative. Like the KD was worth a point for Kovalev at first but then worked against him every round he couldn’t finish him off. He did clinch a lot. He only has 32 fights. His career isn’t close to all world. I know this is supposed to be a GGG bashing thread. But Ward prolly got overpaid if u crunch the numbers. If careers were more like his boxing would suffer. He coulda challenged Nelo @175lbs after the Kovalev fight. He’s an awkward commentator. He’s just nobodies favourite. There’s more hate for GGG than all the emotion there is for Ward. That’s perspective.

yeah as long as the terrain is in his hometown! but i suppose you were trying to say all terrain fighter as in a guy who wrestles, holds and hits, fouls nonstop. thats true as well

[daggum]

I feel like you’re making excuses for your man crush (again).

When a Ward/ggg fight was a real possibility (not when Ward was injured, not when Ward was having legal problems), team ggg insisted the fight could only happen at 164. This was after approving 168 for both Froch and Chavez Jr. They knew Ward would be hard pressed to make 168 and 164 was out of the question. They could act like they were interested in a Ward fight but not actually fight him. After the fight fell apart, Ward moved up a weight class to fight the perceived killer and number 1 light heavy. Kovalev and ggg drug the number 3 or 4 welter up not one but two weight classes for a bout. So who was looking to take tough fights and who wasn’t?

so its only a real possibility when you say so? also why was ward having legal problems...because he refused to fight guys like ggg! how you can write that and not even realize it...mind-bobbling

ggg also approved ward at 168. why did you leave that out? you are trying to confuse the timeline and conflate events that happened years prior. also you left out how ward wanted ggg to postpone the canelo fight for more than a year in order to fight him. just forgot that part?

brook was ranked #1 when he fought ggg. where do you get 3 or 4? do some research? just a little? your lack of information leads you to conclusions that make no sense and you just try to fill in everything that favors the person you like. sorry doesnt work that way. your name is just the facts...you must be joking

[just the facts]

so its only a real possibility when you say so? also why was ward having legal problems...because he refused to fight guys like ggg! how you can write that and not even realize it...mind-bobbling

ggg also approved ward at 168. why did you leave that out? you are trying to confuse the timeline and conflate events that happened years prior. also you left out how ward wanted ggg to postpone the canelo fight for more than a year in order to fight him. just forgot that part?

brook was ranked #1 when he fought ggg. where do you get 3 or 4? do some research? just a little? your lack of information leads you to conclusions that make no sense and you just try to fill in everything that favors the person you like. sorry doesnt work that way. your name is just the facts...you must be joking

Ward was having legal problems because of ggg? Dumb even for you.
Ggg approved 168 for Ward? Flat out LIE!

Brooke rated #1 at welter? Not anywhere outside the British Isles.

Epic fail and ****** too.

[Boxing_1013]

it was clear ward wanted the easy life at that point in his career. he ducked bute as well during that same period and bute was #1 and a career high payday for him. ggg-ward was more fantasy than reality but that bute fight should have happened. hbo got pissed at ward for ducking the good fights and put him on ice. ward went to court where in court testimony his own promoter said ward refused to fight the guys hbo wanted and only wanted guys like sartison. i dont know how much more proof you need that ward didnt want to fiht ggg or other top guys.

all this happened when he was in his absolute prime and during his peak popularity too. it was in a word...mind-bobbling

I've seen you say that before and have no real reason to doubt you...but do you have proof of that? Bolded portion