Jermall Charlo continues to get punked out

[SweetPbfAli]

Ok, a few things:

I'm sure that Andrade would have fought Canelo and/or GGG already if it were up to him entirely. That goes for many fighters because who wouldn't want the payday associated with a shot at those guys? You seem like a knowledgeable person though so you and I both know that it's not that simple.

We also know that Andrade isn't an "A-side" fighter (as Charlo/PBC fans love to point out) so he doesn't necessarily get to pick and choose from a list of whoever like a Canelo would.

Spence actually could get Jessie Vargas or another B-level guy on DAZN to come fight him on PBC because it's fairly common for lesser guys to fight on different networks.

It's interesting that you bring up Thurman and Garcia because Spence has been on the same network with them for awhile and neither guy was eager to give Errol a shot. Thurman told us "you not gone' see it baby! 2019 is a get-back year" so being on the same network doesn't necessarily guarantee that certain fights will happen.

I'm guessing that Andrade fought Luke Keeler because that's the fight that was given to him and he wanted to stay active. I don't know the inner workings of DAZN or any other promotional company but I do know that Billy Joe Saunders screwed both himself and Andrade when he failed a drug test.

Good post. It bugs me that people point to Andrade as the reason for fights not happening. Dude is a title holder and still can't get others to even mention his name as a possible opponent. He's effectively been frozen out of any big fights.

[asgarth]

so lets see...somehow it sounds like andrade is willing to come to showtime/fox yet you really have nothing to go on other than baseless, hollow, comments.....and you have a 7 mil figure yet hearn covered it and wont show it.....

maybe charlo is following orders? maybe hes being told that they are using his name? maybe hes being told "were working towards something way better than fighting a guy that just fought in front of 800 people against an unranked bum"? ....maybe hes being told "dont even bother responding were setting you up against eubank which is much better than a guy that half the small audience left before he fought"

now all of the sudden talking to a camera or in a podcast means something

i could have sworn i saw arum talking about porter pre mean machine then two weeks later they poo poo'd porter once they heard he had als blessing to make a fight...funny how that works

Your whole line of reasoning is incredible biased and actually borders being a follower.

- hearn makes an offer
=> "i havent seen the exact offee and dont believe it"
( But its much easier for charlo to call the bluff or deny that the offer exist)

- charlo gets a career high offer
=> "i always trust haymon"
(Even though that is based on one prior example, Wilder, who was and is much more important than charlo)

- andrade says he is ready to go over to showtime
=> some weird argument regarding crawford and porter
(That you can find one example of behaviour that wasnt even from andrade and hearn, cant make an argument for every future scenario in which one fighter says he is ready to cross the street).


Actually with your general i trust haymon argument, he cant do wrong according to you and it makes no sense to argue with you.

[Curt Henning]

Your whole line of reasoning is incredible biased and actually borders being a follower.

- hearn makes an offer
=> "i havent seen the exact offee and dont believe it"
( But its much easier for charlo to call the bluff or deny that the offer exist)

- charlo gets a career high offer
=> "i always trust haymon"
(Even though that is based on one prior example, Wilder, who was and is much more important than charlo)

- andrade says he is ready to go over to showtime
=> some weird argument regarding crawford and porter
(That you can find one example of behaviour that wasnt even from andrade and hearn, cant make an argument for every future scenario in which one fighter says he is ready to cross the street).


Actually with your general i trust haymon argument, he cant do wrong according to you and it makes no sense to argue with you.

nah...any promoter can do wrong or make a mistake

its just that i trust haymon to move a fighter better than i do hearn...especially in the states

if you remove AJ from the equation then hearn is not a power player in the sport globablly...he doesnt have much that can move the needle on a global scale

i trust haymon to move a fighter in the states more than i do hearn and its because of track record

is wilder more important than charlo? yeah...but hes also about 5 years older than charlo...was wilder really that "important" 5 years ago? ask yourself that honestly

and my point about bud/porter makes sense...if you think objectively...but its likely you hate the pbc with the same ferocity that you say i represent them with...

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

You think DAZN is set to make money on the believed offer for Mikey Garcia vs Jesse Vargas?

Probably not. They will just lose less money on that fight if they were going to pay Andrade/Charlo the same purses; which was what was reported.

[Curt Henning]

Good post. It bugs me that people point to Andrade as the reason for fights not happening. Dude is a title holder and still can't get others to even mention his name as a possible opponent. He's effectively been frozen out of any big fights.

thats fair...to a degree

what im talking about though is how everyone is pointing the finger at charlo though....when the real big names are over at DAZN and he cant get them either....

i dont care about who needs the fight more....or who doesnt have to take the risk/reward factor of andrade....DAZN has 3 guys with bigger names in the division than charlo....yet he cant get them either...stop pointing the finger the other way all the time every day

[asgarth]

nah...any promoter can do wrong or make a mistake

its just that i trust haymon to move a fighter better than i do hearn...especially in the states

if you remove AJ from the equation then hearn is not a power player in the sport globablly...he doesnt have much that can move the needle on a global scale

i trust haymon to move a fighter in the states more than i do hearn and its because of track record

is wilder more important than charlo? yeah...but hes also about 5 years older than charlo...was wilder really that "important" 5 years ago? ask yourself that honestly

and my point about bud/porter makes sense...if you think objectively...but its likely you hate the pbc with the same ferocity that you say i represent them with...

No i dont hate PBC. They had a good year in 2019 and a decent amount of competitive fights.
I dont regard PBC, Dazn or espn as a team that you need to defend at all cost.
Its funny that you are talking about objetivity, because you keep arguing like a biased person.
If you never had a moment where you could consider that another perspective could also be possible, chances are high that you are not objective.

[ShoulderRoll]

Tevin Farmer turned down a $2m PPV guarantee (no doubt that Lou DiBella and Ellerbe would've been able to negotiate a back-end points deal if the fight really took off) to fight JoJo Diaz and got beat.

Do you honestly think that Eddie Hearn is sending Andrade anywhere? lol

Tevin Farmer is a dumbass.

But so is Jermall Charlo. $7 million isn't chicken feed.

Plus if fighting on DAZN is the issue Andrade said he can go over to Showtime for one fight then go back.

Charlo doesn't want that smoke. Simple and plain.

[ShoulderRoll]

No i dont hate PBC. They had a good year in 2019 and a decent amount of competitive fights.
I dont regard PBC, Dazn or espn as a team that you need to defend at all cost.
Its funny that you are talking about objetivity, because you keep arguing like a biased person.
If you never had a moment where you could consider that another perspective could also be possible, chances are high that you are not objective.

You're exactly right.

Some of these dudes see PBC as an entity that they need to defend at all cost. No matter what they do.

I've done my fair share of defending PBC against what I perceive to be negativity stemming from racist attitudes. But that has never stopped me from being objective about them at the same time.

In this case they deserve all the criticism they can get.

[Cobra Curry]

The Jermall Charlo business is building, at it's own pace, but building nonetheless.

The landscape being what it is, it's too late in the game now to not keep betting on himself, tbh.

Outside of Canelo, he's literally the most visible middleweight champion in the US, has a few solid opponents ready to fight on his own terms, with a potential glut emerging after that, and Canelo Alvarez truly searching for interesting fights to fill out his deal.

He's running the risk of potentially getting beat in the interim, but you don't trade that to go behind a paywall with limited US access, to fight a guy who was basically the walkout bout to that YouTube fight, who still managed to find a way to stink out the joint.

If Andrade can't entice literally anyone on his side of the fence to fight him, what value is there for Charlo to chase over to get (especially with FOX not acknowledging the WBO, and Showtime not going out of their way to highlight it)?

Imho, at 29 years old the Charlo business is way behind schedule at this point.

As visible as he may be, no one outside of his existing fanbase considers him THE middleweight champion; if the casual fan knows anything, they know that Canelo beat Golovkin thus making him "the man" and that boxing has too many belts to take them all seriously. I don't like it but despite what it says on paper, the Franchise award severely dilutes Charlo's status just as it does for Devin Haney.

Outside of Derevyenchenko (whose biggest claim to fame took place on a "non visible" platform), I don't really see much quality opposition for Charlo on PBC and as I said to Curt, if you're taking that fight, you may as well fight Andrade for the extra dough. Given the history and genuine needle between the pair it's also an easy fight to sell.

Given the options Canelo has as well as his standing in the sport, it's self evident that it's no skin of his nose if fights with Charlo and/or Andrade never happen. I'm not a Canelo fan but it is what it is. These guys need to do something to get the public to apply some pressure and the likes of Eubank Jr and Keeler simply doesn't cut it.

[Curt Henning]

No i dont hate PBC. They had a good year in 2019 and a decent amount of competitive fights.
I dont regard PBC, Dazn or espn as a team that you need to defend at all cost.
Its funny that you are talking about objetivity, because you keep arguing like a biased person.
If you never had a moment where you could consider that another perspective could also be possible, chances are high that you are not objective.

happens all the time....i always weigh everything....i see grey area too....

id trust haymon to run my career in the US over hearn in the US...any day of the week...you wouldnt? haymons track record in the US is much better id say in an honest opionion

besides AJ who does hearn have that makes him a power player in the sport?

im not defending them at all costs...i just dont believe the hearn and oscar offers...i think they are making a concerted effort to railroad charlos name and make him look like a ducker..