Why do some forget that GGG accepted the Ward fight in 2013?

[kafkod]

when did i imply ward wasnt serious with the offer? you literally just made that up out of thin air..i didnt even come close to implying that

i said he made the offer..the difference is golovkin was running his mouth thats why ward approached the "smaller guy"....so its not like what golovkin did with canelo.....but the reality is the smaller guy pussed out and ward went up.....golovkin fought a WW and waited for the smaller guy to come up and still aint fought a legit bigger guy....

ward will always be> than lil g

I was being facetious, man, your implication was that Ward didn't make the offer because it was his fight of preference, but because he wanted to put GGG in his place. Once again, pure speculation.

Given that Ward was basically given two options - GGG or Kovalev -if he wanted the HBO contract it was a no brainer that he approached GGG first regardless of his feelings, although the way he used it as an opportunity to stick the knife in in was a clever bit of PR.

Ward made the offer to GGG, the smaller guy, and he had ample practical reasons to do so, same as Golovkin did to fight Canelo... the fact that you choose to interpret the two cases differently based on no evidence but your own feelings is kinda exactly what I'm talking about. I mean sure, yeah, if you extend the same cynicism to the motives of all fighters it's one thing... if you say look at Boo Boo or Jermall or the many other fighters who ain't had the breaksand judge 'em the same way as GGG then that's cool, but that ain't what I'm seeing from you.

Anyways, you know me - I ain't in the business of crapping on fighters whether it's Golovkin or anyone else... but I do try to apply the same standards to all fighters, regardless of what promotion or nationality they are... not to make excuses for some and criticise others, or find reasons why two fighters doing the exact same thing should be judged differently.

And whether Ward is greater than Golovkin ain't really anything to do with it. He certainly achieved more and was likely a better fighter. Was that some kinda effort to bruise my ego or something? I ain't that kinda fan, man.

Here are a few facts about the offer that GGG received from Ward:

It had no date - unless you want to count "sometime next year" as a date - no venue, no specified purse, and it came at a time when GGG had just signed for his first PPV headliner with Lemieux and had been guaranteed an immediate mandatory shot at the winner of the upcoming Canelo/Cotto WBC title fight.

Loeffler responded to the offer by telling Ward's team to get back to them in 2017 because GGG was committed to staying at 160 for the whole of 2016.

[Citizen Koba]

Here are a few facts about the offer that GGG received from Ward:

It had no date - unless you want to count "sometime next year" as a date - no venue, no specified purse, and it came at a time when GGG had just signed for his first PPV headliner with Lemieux and had been guaranteed an immediate mandatory shot at the winner of the upcoming Canelo/Cotto WBC title fight.

Loeffler responded to the offer by telling Ward's team to get back to them in 2017 because GGG was committed to staying at 160 for the whole of 2016.

Yeah, I know, of course. If fact Ward's offer (made ostensibly before Ward knew about the Lemieux fight) was for one interim fight apiece and then to fight each other.

Ward, of course was under a degree of pressure himself to land his HBO contract and the network had reportedly stipulated that they'd sign him if he agreed to fight either Golovkin or Kovalev.

My reading of the situation is that Andre would have prefered the Golovkin fight but recognised that given the circumstances it was unlikely that GGG would accept. Even so it made sense for him to make the offer irrespective of whether he knew about the Lemieux deal (and given how ******uous the boxing world is it's likely his team at least had an idea that something was going on), but it worked either way... if GGG accepted all well and good, if he turned it down, as Wards team likely anticipated, there was some good PR mileage to be made out of it.

[GhostofDempsey]

Don’t remind them that Ward was willing to come down to 160 while calling out Floyd, but wouldn’t come down to 160 for GGG. Here come the excuses in 3, 2, 1....

[DreamFighter]

Don’t remind them that Ward was willing to come down to 160 while calling out Floyd, but wouldn’t come down to 160 for GGG. Here come the excuses in 3, 2, 1....

excuses for wanting to fight a legend but not someone yet to win a title in the ring.

interesting, what excuses? cant tihnk of one.

[Curt Henning]

floyd said 160 was too far and everyone has limits...that he wouldnt fight at 160....he never pursued a fight with a 160lber

so saying youd meet floyd at 160 is moot..its null and void..means nothing

when you run your mouth about 168 for years and pursue fights there and your trainer says it would probably be your best weight? then yes you duck someone when they ask you to fight

[DreamFighter]

ggg anyone from 154-168.
floyd anyone from 126 - 154.

which is odd one out?

[GhostofDempsey]

excuses for wanting to fight a legend but not someone yet to win a title in the ring.

interesting, what excuses? cant tihnk of one.

That was 2013, GGG was indeed a champion.

[DreamFighter]

That was 2013, GGG was indeed a champion.

someone yet to win a title in the ring.

[GhostofDempsey]

someone yet to win a title in the ring.

He won the WBA title in the ring. Stop trying to move the goalpost.

[DreamFighter]

He won the WBA title in the ring. Stop trying to move the goalpost.

it was awarded to him outside the ring, said the man who hasnt changed the goalpost.

the guy who said "stop changing the goalposts", feverishly tried to think of a way to change the goalposts again.