Why do some forget that GGG accepted the Ward fight in 2013?

[Curt Henning]

the "meeting with HBO" may or may have not happened....

if it did happen was this after the rodriguez fight when ward into almost a 2 year hiatus with shoulder and promotional issues?

but lets be honest....evidence suggests that golovkin never would have wanted a fight with ward....

golovkin has never fought a 168lber....and when he tried it was an old guy that was retired....and the other was a known lazy bum who is an embarrassment.....

when ward pursued a fight with golovkin and rebuffed...he went up and fought a p4p unbeaten killer.....when golovkin rebuffed ward he fought dom wade and a WW and waited for a kid to come up in weight....

the only reason golovkin even fought jacobs was because canelo and hbo made him...they were basically like "if were gonna sell this fight you need to beat someone worth a damn"....if they didnt put pressure on him he likely would have skipped that fight too in lew of a lighter touch.....he barely sc****d by....

ward has decisive, signature, wins.....golovkin doesnt....

evidence suggests golovkin was never interested in fighting someone like ward

its not a big deal....being challenged and trying to be great arent for everyone

[Citizen Koba]

no thanks Citizen Koba is too much for me.

in that i mean me and koba have our own separate careers...

Not today! I can't. I'can't. Citizen Koba's comments are too much for me right now!

[Citizen Koba]

the "meeting with HBO" may or may have not happened....

if it did happen was this after the rodriguez fight when ward into almost a 2 year hiatus with shoulder and promotional issues?

but lets be honest....evidence suggests that golovkin never would have wanted a fight with ward....

golovkin has never fought a 168lber....and when he tried it was an old guy that was retired....and the other was a known lazy bum who is an embarrassment.....

when ward pursued a fight with golovkin and rebuffed...he went up and fought a p4p unbeaten killer.....when golovkin rebuffed ward he fought dom wade and a WW and waited for a kid to come up in weight....

the only reason golovkin even fought jacobs was because canelo and hbo made him...they were basically like "if were gonna sell this fight you need to beat someone worth a damn"....if they didnt put pressure on him he likely would have skipped that fight too in lew of a lighter touch.....he barely sc****d by....

ward has decisive, signature, wins.....golovkin doesnt....

evidence suggests golovkin was never interested in fighting someone like ward

its not a big deal....being challenged and trying to be great arent for everyone

There's no evidence that Golovkin wouldn't have fought Ward, or at least nothing that can't legitimately be interpreted many other ways.

I mean - what's your evidence? That GGG had to be made to fight Jacobs , his mandatory? How do you figure that? If GGG hadn't wanted that fight all he needed to do was stand firm on his Champion's split, surely? I never even heard of that theory before and surely that's gotta be all but impossible to prove. You got some kinda proof that Golovkin didn't want to fight Danny or did you just kinda make that up?

And there's a bit of irony in your post, actually, in that you acknowledge Ward did in fact try to do exactly what Golovkin seem to get criticism for... fight the smaller more lucrative guy (Golovkin) as his first option, before falling back on the bigger and less lucrative guy (Kovalev) when he was rebuffed.

Course, that is the same way anyone would do it.. both for the financial reward and because it 's never a good idea to go up and then back down again, especially not for dudes in their 30s like GGG or Ward. If either of them were to move up, realistically they'd most likely stay there so it's make sense to take care of any business at the lower weight first.

At the end of the day, no matter how folk try to spin it one way or another to fit a narrative he timing for the GGG - Ward fight simply never added up. Ward was otherwise occupied and Golovkin too small a fish earlier on 2013ish and by the time 2015 came around Golovkin had his own stuff going on and Ward couldn't be waiting around because HBO were pressuring him to go for either GGG or Kovalev before they gave him a contract. For all the words spoken there was only a vanishingly small window of opportunity when the fight might have been made, and in that moment GGG opted to go with the smaller opponent who paid more, exactly as Ward (or in fact anyone else) would have done if GGG had said yes.

[Curt Henning]

There's no evidence that Golovkin wouldn't have fought Ward, or at least nothing that can't legitimately be interpreted many other ways.

I mean - what's your evidence? That GGG had to be made to fight Jacobs , his mandatory? How do you figure that? If GGG hadn't wanted that fight all he needed to do was stand firm on his Champion's split, surely? I never even heard of that theory before and surely that's gotta be all but impossible to prove. You got some kinda proof that Golovkin didn't want to fight Danny or did you just kinda make that up?

And there's a bit of irony in your post, actually, in that you acknowledge Ward did in fact try to do exactly what Golovkin seem to get criticism for... fight the smaller more lucrative guy (Golovkin) as his first option, before falling back on the bigger and less lucrative guy (Kovalev) when he was rebuffed.

Course, that is the same way anyone would do it.. both for the financial reward and because it 's never a good idea to go up and then back down again, especially not for dudes in their 30s like GGG or Ward. If either of them were to move up, realistically they'd most likely stay there so it's make sense to take care of any business at the lower weight first.

At the end of the day, no matter how folk try to spin it one way or another to fit a narrative he timing for the GGG - Ward fight simply never added up. Ward was otherwise occupied and Golovkin too small a fish earlier on 2013ish and by the time 2015 came around Golovkin had his own stuff going on and Ward couldn't be waiting around because HBO were pressuring him to go for either GGG or Kovalev before they gave him a contract.

ward approached the "smaller guy" because the smaller guy ran his mouth about hed fight in wards division and would fight anyone and couldnt get a good fight.....his bluff was called and golovkin tucked his tail between his legs and replied "NO" within a half hour

hbo was never pressuring ward to go after golovkin...in fact it was the opposite...they wanted ward away from golovkin to protect golovkin/canelo which they spent years trying to build by paying golovkin to beat bums and hype him.....hbo wanted no part of ward/ggg....they wanted the best of both worlds...kov/ward and golovkin/canelo...they did everythign to build those....nobody ever questioned golovkin on why he wouldnt fight ward despite begging for fights......as ward said "if you reversed our careers and resumes theyd be killing me for avoiding him"

[Citizen Koba]

ward approached the "smaller guy" because the smaller guy ran his mouth about hed fight in wards division and would fight anyone and couldnt get a good fight.....his bluff was called and golovkin tucked his tail between his legs and replied "NO" within a half hour

hbo was never pressuring ward to go after golovkin...in fact it was the opposite...they wanted ward away from golovkin to protect golovkin/canelo which they spent years trying to build by paying golovkin to beat bums and hype him.....hbo wanted no part of ward/ggg....they wanted the best of both worlds...kov/ward and golovkin/canelo...they did everythign to build those....nobody ever questioned golovkin on why he wouldnt fight ward despite begging for fights......as ward said "if you reversed our careers and resumes theyd be killing me for avoiding him"

So you're saying Ward wasn't serious with his offer to Golovkin?
No. He was serious, and that fight was clearly the most sensible to make and his preference or else they wouldn't have made the offer.

TBF quite likely they knew of Golovkin's PPV announcement - the boxing world is small - and certainly they knew he was mandatory to the Cotto / Canelo winner and expected the offer to be rebuffed... in fact the most likely interpretation was that yeah, it was a PR move to make GGG look a chump (in which it succeeded admirably), but that doesn't mean Andre wasn't making a genuine offer.

As to the rest of it see, it's just more speculation - just like your specualtion that Golovkin didn't want Danny - built on other speculative interpretations of events like a house of cards. That kind of argument only holds together if the foundation is rock solid, but in this case it ain't.

[Curt Henning]

So you're saying Ward wasn't serious with his offer to Golovkin?
No. He was serious, and that fight was clearly the most sensible to make and his preference or else they wouldn't have made the offer.

TBF quite likely they knew of Golovkin's PPV announcement - the boxing world is small - and certainly they knew he was mandatory to the Cotto / Canelo winner and expected the offer to be rebuffed... in fact the most likely interpretation was that yeah, it was a PR move to make GGG look a chump (in which it succeeded admirably), but that doesn't mean Andre wasn't making a genuine offer.

As to the rest of it see, it's just more speculation - just like your specualtion that Golovkin didn't want Danny - built on other speculative interpretations of events like a house of cards. That kind of argument only holds together if the foundation is rock solid, but in this case it ain't.

when did i imply ward wasnt serious with the offer? you literally just made that up out of thin air..i didnt even come close to implying that

i said he made the offer..the difference is golovkin was running his mouth thats why ward approached the "smaller guy"....so its not like what golovkin did with canelo.....but the reality is the smaller guy pussed out and ward went up.....golovkin fought a WW and waited for the smaller guy to come up and still aint fought a legit bigger guy....

ward will always be> than lil g

[Citizen Koba]

when did i imply ward wasnt serious with the offer? you literally just made that up out of thin air..i didnt even come close to implying that

i said he made the offer..the difference is golovkin was running his mouth thats why ward approached the "smaller guy"....so its not like what golovkin did with canelo.....but the reality is the smaller guy pussed out and ward went up.....golovkin fought a WW and waited for the smaller guy to come up and still aint fought a legit bigger guy....

ward will always be> than lil g

I was being facetious, man, your implication was that Ward didn't make the offer because it was his fight of preference, but because he wanted to put GGG in his place. Once again, pure speculation.

Given that Ward was basically given two options - GGG or Kovalev -if he wanted the HBO contract it was a no brainer that he approached GGG first regardless of his feelings, although the way he used it as an opportunity to stick the knife in in was a clever bit of PR.

Ward made the offer to GGG, the smaller guy, and he had ample practical reasons to do so, same as Golovkin did to fight Canelo... the fact that you choose to interpret the two cases differently based on no evidence but your own feelings is kinda exactly what I'm talking about. I mean sure, yeah, if you extend the same cynicism to the motives of all fighters it's one thing... if you say look at Boo Boo or Jermall or the many other fighters who ain't had the breaksand judge 'em the same way as GGG then that's cool, but that ain't what I'm seeing from you.

Anyways, you know me - I ain't in the business of crapping on fighters whether it's Golovkin or anyone else... but I do try to apply the same standards to all fighters, regardless of what promotion or nationality they are... not to make excuses for some and criticise others, or find reasons why two fighters doing the exact same thing should be judged differently.

And whether Ward is greater than Golovkin ain't really anything to do with it. He certainly achieved more and was likely a better fighter. Was that some kinda effort to bruise my ego or something? I ain't that kinda fan, man.

[DreamFighter]

ward will always be> than lil g

your comment is too much for him

[Curtis Harper]

So what is your solution?

To other fighters ? Do the opposite of what Team GGG did.
For GGG ? Too late.

I don't want to hear about he came from dirt. Many boxers overcame said conditions and it didn;t require 300 amateur fights.

something along the lines of not wait till u r 35 before facing an actual top contender.

Exactly

Late to the buffet, you may not get a meal.

[Boxing_1013]

I don't know why GGG had to have more than 50 amateur fights. Ok, maybe 100. But 300+ ?!?!?!

He should sue someone for lost wages

And contracts being what they are, who knows what side wanted what and said nah ??? Ward was right on one front, make your own brand. It's possible.

Don't keep doing the same shlt when it's proven to be the wrong way.

Don't depend on someone ''giving'' you a shot.

If they had fought and there was no CW, I can't see GGG winning, even if Ward had a long layoff.

I think he/his team did very well for him financially really...a lot of that is because he was fortunate to land the Canelo fight twice...and then the anticipation of a 3rd fight with Canelo got GGG a big inflated deal from DAZN.

I agree that I would have liked to have seen GGG at 168 or even 175 in his prime vs top guys at those weights, to see where his level was...overall I think he made the right decision to wait on Canelo (or another one of the smaller guys) for his big money/legacy fight.

Anyone at 168-175 may have been a decent legacy fight, but no one imo was really lining up to fight GGG in his prime...and GGG would have made no real money in those fights either...look at he difference money wise in his fight with Canelo vs Ward's fights with Kovalev.