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  • #21
    Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
    ... 2000-2019!...

    ... Why don't we try this one instead?... it's more fun, I guess!

    ... just who do you have at #1 after two decades of this century?... I think this must be easier to assess...


    Easily PAC.
    Although he suffered a KO loss to Marquez, he also beat Marquez 3 times prior.
    Floyd would be his only competition, but PAC has an overwhelmingly better resume than Floyd, with plenty of Pacs wins being by KO/TKO and not decisions. Not to mention PAC just dismantled Thurman last year, whom was a young PRIME UNDEFEATED Champ.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Thraxox View Post
      Pacquiao, because Pacquiao defeated prime ATG's at their best weight class on his resume while Floyd doesn't even have a prime A-level fighter in his resume.

      Pacquiao lasted longer, had fought better competition, and had beaten Prime Fighters and especially fought through the entire 2 decades and kept on achieving things that had never been achieved, the first man to become a 7 and 8 division champion while being also the first man to become a lineal champion at 5 different weight classes while also being the Oldest welterweight champion in history, out achieving his contemporary of Floyd and Mosley by 2 years (Floyd and Mosley was respectively the oldest welterweight champions in the world but Pacquiao broke that record at 40.) and Pacquiao is the first fighter in the entire history of boxing to be a champion in 4 different decades out lasting all his fellow all time greats, that is just unheard of.

      Floyd Mayweather would have been the greatest of his generation had he fought Prime fighters like Paul Williams, Prime Manny, Prime Margarito, but he settled waiting them out till they are out of the picture.

      Floyd's best win this decade is a recently KO'ed Pacquiao, Canelo is a good win, but Floyd draining Canelo to death at 152 hurts his win.

      So Pacquiao for me, on the basis that Pacquiao achieved more than Floyd and fought better competition, there's no better win than a Prime Marco Antonio Barrera who was on a tear coming off with the wins of Hamed, Ayala, Kelly, Morales etc. etc.

      That is why, Pacquiao is the greatest of his generation IMO.
      Prime ATG's such as?

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      • #23
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
        Pacquiao easily.

        Mayweather ducked him back in 2009 otherwise he would have won back-to-back Fighter of the Decade awards.
        I agree.
        Floyd ducked a prime PAC because he didn’t want that smoke at the time.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Thraxox View Post
          Pacquiao, because Pacquiao defeated prime ATG's at their best weight class on his resume while Floyd doesn't even have a prime A-level fighter in his resume.

          Pacquiao lasted longer, had fought better competition, and had beaten Prime Fighters and especially fought through the entire 2 decades and kept on achieving things that had never been achieved, the first man to become a 7 and 8 division champion while being also the first man to become a lineal champion at 5 different weight classes while also being the Oldest welterweight champion in history, out achieving his contemporary of Floyd and Mosley by 2 years (Floyd and Mosley was respectively the oldest welterweight champions in the world but Pacquiao broke that record at 40.) and Pacquiao is the first fighter in the entire history of boxing to be a champion in 4 different decades out lasting all his fellow all time greats, that is just unheard of.

          Floyd Mayweather would have been the greatest of his generation had he fought Prime fighters like Paul Williams, Prime Manny, Prime Margarito, but he settled waiting them out till they are out of the picture.

          Floyd's best win this decade is a recently KO'ed Pacquiao, Canelo is a good win, but Floyd draining Canelo to death at 152 hurts his win.

          So Pacquiao for me, on the basis that Pacquiao achieved more than Floyd and fought better competition, there's no better win than a Prime Marco Antonio Barrera who was on a tear coming off with the wins of Hamed, Ayala, Kelly, Morales etc. etc.

          That is why, Pacquiao is the greatest of his generation IMO.

          On spot.
          PAC just has a much greater resume, ain’t no other way around it. Plenty more accomplishments, overcame much more obstacles, etc.

          Floyd was a spoiled rotten brat.

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          • #25
            ... nevertheless, a past-prime Floyd beat a past-prime Manny... I would have expected from Pacquiao to leave his heart into that fight -- but he didn't...

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            • #26
              Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
              ... nevertheless, a past-prime Floyd beat a past-prime Manny... I would have expected from Pacquiao to leave his heart into that fight -- but he didn't...
              Manny Didn’t have the prime speed, ferociousness and killer/finish him instinct he used to. The Marquez KO completely domesticated his style.

              Floyd was smart to wait.
              He would’ve got molly whopped against a prime vicious PAC.
              The world knows it.
              And even still, May PAC 2015 fight was about even. 7-5 Floyd at most.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by BoomBapTrap View Post
                Manny Didn’t have the prime speed, ferociousness and killer/finish him instinct he used to. The Marquez KO completely domesticated his style.

                Floyd was smart to wait.
                He would’ve got molly whopped against a prime vicious PAC.
                The world knows it.
                And even still, May PAC 2015 fight was about even. 7-5 Floyd at most.
                I think the current Pac is better than the 2015 pac. I think 2015, Pac was still hesitant as he wasn't really that far removed from ko. His confidence was being rebuilt and he seems to have got mojo back and a bit of swagger which he didn't have around Floyd 2015 time.
                Pac or nel o deserves Fotd as they also beat the guys Floyd dodged, ie ggg and thurman

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by BoomBapTrap View Post
                  Manny Didn’t have the prime speed, ferociousness and killer/finish him instinct he used to. The Marquez KO completely domesticated his style.

                  Floyd was smart to wait.
                  He would’ve got molly whopped against a prime vicious PAC.
                  The world knows it.
                  And even still, May PAC 2015 fight was about even. 7-5 Floyd at most.
                  ... it was supposed to be the biggest fight of their generation... I expected Manny to go life and death into the ring... instead he tried to "outbox" Floyd... really?... ... huge disappointment...

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
                    ... given the "situation", two decades may add more perspective, right...
                    I guess so. For me Mayweather’s best run was 05-15, so that kind of disadvantages him when ranking a specific decade, whilst it doesn’t over the 20 year period.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Thraxox View Post
                      Floyd Mayweather would have been the greatest of his generation had he fought Prime fighters like Paul Williams, Prime Manny, Prime Margarito, but he settled waiting them out till they are out of the picture.
                      Floyd is amazing for the mere fact he waited out so many mfers younger than him.

                      Floyd born 1977
                      Manny born 1978
                      Antonio born 1978
                      Paul born 1981

                      Also you can critique Floyd for many things but not fighting Paul Williams, who I dug & was a fan of, isn't one of them. Paul was a fun ass guy to watch but the reality is their was like a 6mo period max when that fight made any sense at all & others were higher on the to do list at the time. And then Paul was done at Floyd's weight. You don't even need to worry about waiting out a cat not in your division.

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