Everyone will be praising Mayweather in 12months

[charlie31]

he's definitely not duckin hatton nor has he ever, hatton was the one who said he wasnt ready and apparently priced himself out of the fight. With margarito it's not the same thing, margarito is ready and offered him a deal that makes dollars and sense.

It's just impossible for me to believe that floyd isn't at least cautious of margarito bc he knows he might lose. Just look at how it's gone down.

1. PBF chooses to fight Zab Judah thinking that his baldomir loss was a fluke, Arum at the time said that the only person who could stop a PBF-Marg fight was judah by upsetting PBF, that didnt happen.

2.Mayweather says he will not fight margarito next because he hurt is hands during the fight and wants to wait for it to heal. also if it makes dollars it makes sense.

3.Arum continues to pressure PBF to make the fight, instead floyd buys out of his contract for 750,000 dollars to become a free agent, probably to facilitate a fight with the golden boy.

4. De la hoya whoops on mayorga but later announces he will not fight again till 07, leaving margarito as a possible opponent for mayweather, this time he leaves his options open and turns his focus to shane mosley, to counter this arum offers had offered 8 million his biggest payday to date.

5.Mosley turns down any possibility of fighting floyd in november and tells him he should go forward with the margarito fight, floyd continues to try to convince him but talks don't work out.

6.) W/ margarito left as the best opponent he still does not accept the deal, instead says the fight would do nothing for his legacy and he hasnt fought anybody, no longer dollars and sense. alsothere was an issue of the money being there in october not november, arum fixes it by offeing it on pbf chosen date, still no deal.

7.) baldomir gets by gatti and enters negotiations with pbf,most likey will be made, leaving margarito out of the loop and making a guy who no one saw as plausible before, as a great candidate because he knocked out a faded and undersized gatti.

Basically, it's been different reasons along the way for not fighting him. and some of them contradict themselves, while arum and margarito jump through loops to accomodate him just to get turned down. PBF just doesnt want any part of him, his done to muchto avoid him.

i see this and do not say pbf isnt#1 p4p or the best on the planet, ad also margarito hasnt fought an elite fighter, but the point is WHO CARES, pbf didnt before this (ndou,mitchell,brusselsetc) and the fans shouldn't because he is the best fight out there. his size and workrate make hima good opponent better than baldi,and for more money when HE thinks (supposedly) it will be an easy fight.

that's why i think he is ducking the man, everyone skill and all that other **** aside what has transpired in tha last fewmonths tell it all.

i agree with you %100

[{BrownBomber}]

yea floyd needs baldomir for his legacy, this is biggest superfight since trinidad vs delahoya, baldomir is a wrecking machine, thats why everyone was avoiding him, he's the only welter that could of possibly stopped gatti, his power is dangerous

lol,atleast he did with his power what Floyd couldnt while Gatti was looking.

[amagnin]

he's definitely not duckin hatton nor has he ever, hatton was the one who said he wasnt ready and apparently priced himself out of the fight. With margarito it's not the same thing, margarito is ready and offered him a deal that makes dollars and sense.

It's just impossible for me to believe that floyd isn't at least cautious of margarito bc he knows he might lose. Just look at how it's gone down.

1. PBF chooses to fight Zab Judah thinking that his baldomir loss was a fluke, Arum at the time said that the only person who could stop a PBF-Marg fight was judah by upsetting PBF, that didnt happen.

2.Mayweather says he will not fight margarito next because he hurt is hands during the fight and wants to wait for it to heal. also if it makes dollars it makes sense.

3.Arum continues to pressure PBF to make the fight, instead floyd buys out of his contract for 750,000 dollars to become a free agent, probably to facilitate a fight with the golden boy.

4. De la hoya whoops on mayorga but later announces he will not fight again till 07, leaving margarito as a possible opponent for mayweather, this time he leaves his options open and turns his focus to shane mosley, to counter this arum offers had offered 8 million his biggest payday to date.

5.Mosley turns down any possibility of fighting floyd in november and tells him he should go forward with the margarito fight, floyd continues to try to convince him but talks don't work out.

6.) W/ margarito left as the best opponent he still does not accept the deal, instead says the fight would do nothing for his legacy and he hasnt fought anybody, no longer dollars and sense. alsothere was an issue of the money being there in october not november, arum fixes it by offeing it on pbf chosen date, still no deal.

7.) baldomir gets by gatti and enters negotiations with pbf,most likey will be made, leaving margarito out of the loop and making a guy who no one saw as plausible before, as a great candidate because he knocked out a faded and undersized gatti.

Basically, it's been different reasons along the way for not fighting him. and some of them contradict themselves, while arum and margarito jump through loops to accomodate him just to get turned down. PBF just doesnt want any part of him, his done to muchto avoid him.

i see this and do not say pbf isnt#1 p4p or the best on the planet, ad also margarito hasnt fought an elite fighter, but the point is WHO CARES, pbf didnt before this (ndou,mitchell,brusselsetc) and the fans shouldn't because he is the best fight out there. his size and workrate make hima good opponent better than baldi,and for more money when HE thinks (supposedly) it will be an easy fight.

that's why i think he is ducking the man, everyone skill and all that other **** aside what has transpired in tha last fewmonths tell it all.

You make a series of valid points. But realize this is their first attempt at making this fight and they are both young. This fight could easily happen in 12-18 months and be as popular if not more. So if the money is there in November it should be there later right? Baldomir is the champ and is retiring SOON as are Mosley and DLH. That is why these fights have to happen sooner rather than later... Margarito doesn't demand that type of immediacy. Also I think Floyd intended to see the outcome of Gatti-Baldomir from the beginning unless Mosley or DLH took the fight. Think about it if Gatti won he wouldn't have gotten a sniff at that fight so getting a recognized title and a good payday would be out of the question but since Baldomir won now he is in the mix.

[charlie31]

You make a series of valid points. But realize this is their first attempt at making this fight and they are both young. This fight could easily happen in 12-18 months and be as popular if not more. So if the money is there in November it should be there later right? Baldomir is the champ and is retiring SOON as are Mosley and DLH. That is why these fights have to happen sooner rather than later... Margarito doesn't demand that type of immediacy. Also I think Floyd intended to see the outcome of Gatti-Baldomir from the beginning unless Mosley or DLH took the fight. Think about it if Gatti won he wouldn't have gotten a sniff at that fight so getting a recognized title and a good payday would be out of the question but since Baldomir won now he is in the mix.

point is why wait? those "big names" that Floyd was chasing said no...they are the top two welters and yes Baldi is "ring" champ. but Floyd really had no interest him until now and I doubt he will make 8 mil

[adrsan84]

You make a series of valid points. But realize this is their first attempt at making this fight and they are both young. This fight could easily happen in 12-18 months and be as popular if not more. So if the money is there in November it should be there later right? Baldomir is the champ and is retiring SOON as are Mosley and DLH. That is why these fights have to happen sooner rather than later... Margarito doesn't demand that type of immediacy. Also I think Floyd intended to see the outcome of Gatti-Baldomir from the beginning unless Mosley or DLH took the fight. Think about it if Gatti won he wouldn't have gotten a sniff at that fight so getting a recognized title and a good payday would be out of the question but since Baldomir won now he is in the mix.

of course it can happen later, but are you a boxing fan or PBF's accountant. I, for one would have liked to see him in there with oscar in September or shane in November and would not have citisized him for either one of those fights, they would make him money and legacy. But the baldomir fight? making less hence less sense, and even legacy-wise, how much did it add to Zab's legacy to take that prestigious linear title from acclaimed title holder Spinks? sometimes belts and the ring aren't everything, when ur being offered the biggest money to date, the fans are turning on you, you say your about the money,and it will be easy work, and then you DON'T make the fight,as a fighter people are going to doubt you.

in my book he's still P4P the best,but baldi is a sitting duck and a much worse fight, i am a fan of the sport and demand the best, most exciting fights and in this case the only reason it didnt come through seems to be 1 man's reluctance or fear, so yeah i think he's ducking.

[amagnin]

of course it can happen later, but are you a boxing fan or PBF's accountant. I, for one would have liked to see him in there with oscar in September or shane in November and would not have citisized him for either one of those fights, they would make him money and legacy. But the baldomir fight? making less hence less sense, and even legacy-wise, how much did it add to Zab's legacy to take that prestigious linear title from acclaimed title holder Spinks? sometimes belts and the ring aren't everything, when ur being offered the biggest money to date, the fans are turning on you, you say your about the money,and it will be easy work, and then you DON'T make the fight,as a fighter people are going to doubt you.

in my book he's still P4P the best,but baldi is a sitting duck and a much worse fight, i am a fan of the sport and demand the best, most exciting fights and in this case the only reason it didnt come through seems to be 1 man's reluctance or fear, so yeah i think he's ducking.

I understand where you're coming from and I also think that Margarito-Mayweather is a BETTER fight and a more lucrative fight. But Baldomir makes more sense RIGHT NOW. There are different schools of criticism, one says that Floyd never becomes "the champ" at any division. Well this will end that, and at the same time in no way prevents him from fighting Margarito. So from Floyd's perspecive its the best of both worlds, he is champion of WW and eventually makes a bigger fight against a guy some people think he is scared of. But as a fight fan I would rather see Margarito all I'm saying is it is hard for me to blame a man for wanting to maximize his potential financially (thats what I would do if I was him).

[charlie31]

of course it can happen later, but are you a boxing fan or PBF's accountant. I, for one would have liked to see him in there with oscar in September or shane in November and would not have citisized him for either one of those fights, they would make him money and legacy. But the baldomir fight? making less hence less sense, and even legacy-wise, how much did it add to Zab's legacy to take that prestigious linear title from acclaimed title holder Spinks? sometimes belts and the ring aren't everything, when ur being offered the biggest money to date, the fans are turning on you, you say your about the money,and it will be easy work, and then you DON'T make the fight,as a fighter people are going to doubt you.

in my book he's still P4P the best,but baldi is a sitting duck and a much worse fight, i am a fan of the sport and demand the best, most exciting fights and in this case the only reason it didnt come through seems to be 1 man's reluctance or fear, so yeah i think he's ducking.

AMEN!!





preach it brother

[r_sendo]

PBF has nothing to gain in figthing marg. if he wins people say he beat a bum. marg should fight other contenders first in order to rise in the ranks.

[adrsan84]

PBF has nothing to gain in figthing marg. if he wins people say he beat a bum. marg should fight other contenders first in order to rise in the ranks.

As he fights baldomir, a guy who has two meaningful wins and stumbled upon the undisputed title. Put margarito in the ring with judah or gatti and see what happens. Margarito has fought contenders (previously highly touted cintron) and he beat the **** out of that kid. he is ready to move on and make a real fight but none of the real top dogs want him,only contenders who want floyd like money. Im prayin his next fight is ouma,quintana, williams or collazo,imothe only the two contenders don't stand a chance and ouma and collazo would make it tuff but he would pull that out, then that excuse would be gone.

[{BrownBomber}]

PBF has nothing to gain in figthing marg. if he wins people say he beat a bum. marg should fight other contenders first in order to rise in the ranks.

rise in what ranks?
he was at welter way before floyd and hasnt lost at that weight in a decade.
he is one of the top guys at welter, what do you mean rise in the ranks?