Everyone will be praising Mayweather in 12months

[adrsan84]

Im agreeing. Its the same logic as mine.

well how about my oultine on page 3 as to why i feel floyd is ducking margarito, see where you disagree with me,

[El Jesus]

well how about my oultine on page 3 as to why i feel floyd is ducking margarito, see where you disagree with me,

Im not really sure what your talking about, link me

[adrsan84]

he's definitely not duckin hatton nor has he ever, hatton was the one who said he wasnt ready and apparently priced himself out of the fight. With margarito it's not the same thing, margarito is ready and offered him a deal that makes dollars and sense.

It's just impossible for me to believe that floyd isn't at least cautious of margarito bc he knows he might lose. Just look at how it's gone down.

1. PBF chooses to fight Zab Judah thinking that his baldomir loss was a fluke, Arum at the time said that the only person who could stop a PBF-Marg fight was judah by upsetting PBF, that didnt happen.

2.Mayweather says he will not fight margarito next because he hurt is hands during the fight and wants to wait for it to heal. also if it makes dollars it makes sense.

3.Arum continues to pressure PBF to make the fight, instead floyd buys out of his contract for 750,000 dollars to become a free agent, probably to facilitate a fight with the golden boy.

4. De la hoya whoops on mayorga but later announces he will not fight again till 07, leaving margarito as a possible opponent for mayweather, this time he leaves his options open and turns his focus to shane mosley, to counter this arum offers had offered 8 million his biggest payday to date.

5.Mosley turns down any possibility of fighting floyd in november and tells him he should go forward with the margarito fight, floyd continues to try to convince him but talks don't work out.

6.) W/ margarito left as the best opponent he still does not accept the deal, instead says the fight would do nothing for his legacy and he hasnt fought anybody, no longer dollars and sense. alsothere was an issue of the money being there in october not november, arum fixes it by offeing it on pbf chosen date, still no deal.

7.) baldomir gets by gatti and enters negotiations with pbf,most likey will be made, leaving margarito out of the loop and making a guy who no one saw as plausible before, as a great candidate because he knocked out a faded and undersized gatti.

Basically, it's been different reasons along the way for not fighting him. and some of them contradict themselves, while arum and margarito jump through loops to accomodate him just to get turned down. PBF just doesnt want any part of him, his done to muchto avoid him.

i see this and do not say pbf isnt#1 p4p or the best on the planet, ad also margarito hasnt fought an elite fighter, but the point is WHO CARES, pbf didnt before this (ndou,mitchell,brusselsetc) and the fans shouldn't because he is the best fight out there. his size and workrate make hima good opponent better than baldi,and for more money when HE thinks (supposedly) it will be an easy fight.

that's why i think he is ducking the man, everyone skill and all that other **** aside what has transpired in tha last fewmonths tell it all.

my bad pg 2

[charlie31]

What does any of this have to do with your argument about the current ring rankings. This is now. We could argue all day about "facts", I dont give a **** about that right now because thats not where the argument with me and you is focused.

You cant just tread into territory where you think favorable "facts" are going to turn the tide of the argument for you. Stick with the issue YOU brought up. This is now, right now i outlined in my opinion what would be good for Margarito at this point, Counter what i said with something legitimate.

Ill refresh your memory as to what i said



Read it and make an argument that reflects the issue of Margarito creating a legit portfolio of fights for himself that suit the needs of what it takes to get a fight with Floyd Mayweather jr.

you originaly quoted ME..when i said "if people dont watch boxing they shouldnt post here", i said that when i was quoting someone earlier in the thread who said "Marg was a BUM and needed to work his way up the ranks..."


why dont you go back and read?

[charlie31]

What does any of this have to do with your argument about the current ring rankings. This is now. We could argue all day about "facts", I dont give a **** about that right now because thats not where the argument with me and you is focused.

You cant just tread into territory where you think favorable "facts" are going to turn the tide of the argument for you. Stick with the issue YOU brought up. This is now, right now i outlined in my opinion what would be good for Margarito at this point, Counter what i said with something legitimate.

Ill refresh your memory as to what i said



Read it and make an argument that reflects the issue of Margarito creating a legit portfolio of fights for himself that suit the needs of what it takes to get a fight with Floyd Mayweather jr.

he doesnt need to..he already is.

i dont need to argue that.AGAIN. not that ive done it with you but i have a million times.....he is more proven than Floyd at welter.

[El Jesus]

he's definitely not duckin hatton nor has he ever, hatton was the one who said he wasnt ready and apparently priced himself out of the fight. With margarito it's not the same thing, margarito is ready and offered him a deal that makes dollars and sense.

It's just impossible for me to believe that floyd isn't at least cautious of margarito bc he knows he might lose. Just look at how it's gone down.

1. PBF chooses to fight Zab Judah thinking that his baldomir loss was a fluke, Arum at the time said that the only person who could stop a PBF-Marg fight was judah by upsetting PBF, that didnt happen.

2.Mayweather says he will not fight margarito next because he hurt is hands during the fight and wants to wait for it to heal. also if it makes dollars it makes sense.

3.Arum continues to pressure PBF to make the fight, instead floyd buys out of his contract for 750,000 dollars to become a free agent, probably to facilitate a fight with the golden boy.

4. De la hoya whoops on mayorga but later announces he will not fight again till 07, leaving margarito as a possible opponent for mayweather, this time he leaves his options open and turns his focus to shane mosley, to counter this arum offers had offered 8 million his biggest payday to date.

5.Mosley turns down any possibility of fighting floyd in november and tells him he should go forward with the margarito fight, floyd continues to try to convince him but talks don't work out.

6.) W/ margarito left as the best opponent he still does not accept the deal, instead says the fight would do nothing for his legacy and he hasnt fought anybody, no longer dollars and sense. alsothere was an issue of the money being there in october not november, arum fixes it by offeing it on pbf chosen date, still no deal.

7.) baldomir gets by gatti and enters negotiations with pbf,most likey will be made, leaving margarito out of the loop and making a guy who no one saw as plausible before, as a great candidate because he knocked out a faded and undersized gatti.

Basically, it's been different reasons along the way for not fighting him. and some of them contradict themselves, while arum and margarito jump through loops to accomodate him just to get turned down. PBF just doesnt want any part of him, his done to muchto avoid him.

i see this and do not say pbf isnt#1 p4p or the best on the planet, ad also margarito hasnt fought an elite fighter, but the point is WHO CARES, pbf didnt before this (ndou,mitchell,brusselsetc) and the fans shouldn't because he is the best fight out there. his size and workrate make hima good opponent better than baldi,and for more money when HE thinks (supposedly) it will be an easy fight.

that's why i think he is ducking the man, everyone skill and all that other **** aside what has transpired in tha last fewmonths tell it all.

In the end, if Floyd is going to lose, its going to be a loss to someone who matters. A Loss to Margarito hurts alot more than his record. A loss to De La Hoya/Mosley/etc etc, sure he takes the loss, but a funfilled rematch follows. A Loss to Margarito, a virtual unknown gains him nothing. In conclusion there is no need to for me to really break down anything you have said because it makes sense to some extent.

If Margarito beats a couple of top 10 welters, then he matters. Moreso than Ring Magazine subscribers (all 50 of them lol). And internet boxing lovers like ourselves.

[adrsan84]

In the end, if Floyd is going to lose, its going to be a loss to someone who matters. A Loss to Margarito hurts alot more than his record. A loss to De La Hoya/Mosley/etc etc, sure he takes the loss, but a funfilled rematch follows. A Loss to Margarito, a virtual unknown gains him nothing. In conclusion there is no need to for me to really break down anything you have said because it makes sense to some extent.

If Margarito beats a couple of top 10 welters, then he matters. Moreso than Ring Magazine subscribers (all 50 of them lol). And internet boxing lovers like ourselves.

see but then there is the contradiction, because it started out as, "if it makes dollars it makes sense", the 8 mill is there. and your statement about him only losing to someone that matters makes it seem like it is a real possibility he could be upset by antonio while most floyd fans are making it seem like it is impossible. also this fight is bigger than you think already, margarito is getting exposure all over the spanish media and he's got a steady fan base already, fighting the number one pound for pound would bring them out. i guess my post is more addressing the fact that floyd ducked antonio and your saying he will only risk losing to someone that matters doesnt change that one bit, cuz he's avouding the risk, the money was there and the date was right, it should have happend.

[El Jesus]

see but then there is the contradiction, because it started out as, "if it makes dollars it makes sense", the 8 mill is there. and your statement about him only losing to someone that matters makes it seem like it is a real possibility he could be upset by antonio while most floyd fans are making it seem like it is impossible. also this fight is bigger than you think already, margarito is getting exposure all over the spanish media and he's got a steady fan base already, fighting the number one pound for pound would bring them out. i guess my post is more addressing the fact that floyd ducked antonio and your saying he will only risk losing to someone that matters doesnt change that one bit, cuz he's avouding the risk, the money was there and the date was right, it should have happend.

I understand what you are saying, but along with the "it makes dollars it makes sense" always came with guys like cotto/hatton/mosley/de la hoya/Harris etc. I think his argument became the latter because of the fact that Margarito brought so little exposure to the table along with a useless belt. Im only going off what i read from interviews, I dont think floyd is out to fight just anybody for money, when he would say **** like that, it was because the interviewer/chatter would mentioned NAMED fighters.

Of course i could be wrong.

[charlie31]

I understand what you are saying, but along with the "it makes dollars it makes sense" always came with guys like cotto/hatton/mosley/de la hoya/Harris etc. I think his argument became the latter because of the fact that Margarito brought so little exposure to the table along with a useless belt. Im only going off what i read from interviews, I dont think floyd is out to fight just anybody for money, when he would say **** like that, it was because the interviewer/chatter would mentioned NAMED fighters.

Of course i could be wrong.

OMG




ofcourse Floyd will say that . its called an excuse. has every opponent Floyd has faced been a "named fighter"? no. Marg is a named fighter, apparently only Floyd and his fans dont know who he is...

[Dorian]

its also a possibility that quartey (if he beats forrest) will get a shot at mayweather. That'll get him some praise if mayweather can beat him

That would be such a great fight i hope it happens