Luis Ortiz And How He Became One of Boxing’s Current ATG”s

[Curt Henning]

classic AJ fan deflection/reach/made up narrative....from one of the biggest idiots on ESB

no one said ortiz was great...theyve said he was a top 5 HW each time wilder fought him

im really sorry AJ got knocked by a 25-1 replacement underdog who is 6ft with short arms...and then had to save face by jabbing and running from him in the rematch...its not wilders fault or his fans

[JakeTheBoxer]

Ortiz should fight somebody top 10 not named Wilder to prove how good he is. Why not Ruiz?

[UK-UNDISPUTED]

Joshua would make easy work of Ortiz u *******

[Articulateboxin]

Well it's written in a derogatory style that detracts from what is otherwise a very factual and accurate post. Ortiz has never really amounted to anything, he was never good enough for the Cuban Olympic team and never won anything like a world championship.

Having said that, he did outbox and outscore the WBC champ for every second of every round until being caught by a 1 single shot. Now that doesn't mean he's world title level, because folks like Szpilka also outboxed a champ and he was never winning any world title I guess? But it mean's he's better than average!

Ortiz vs Ruiz - PLEASE make it happen

[kafkod]

I definitely would NOT say it's in a good state. We're witnessing the slow wimper here, my friend. This sport is at death's door. Will it die totally? No, but that doesn't mean it's got anything going on. The NBA is alive but it's been begging China for help. I think this is a house of cards and a lot of folks don't see how flimsy it all is. This sport has shot itself in the foot to the point that there aren't only any toes left. There's a nub of a heel hanging. It's about as done as you can get, but don't stick a fork in it. There's not that much meat left.

Hey, snap out of it Tony, don't let the PBC goons get inside your head!

The sport of boxing doesn't begin and end at the US border. There's a whole world out here and boxing is on a roll!

[kafkod]

Ortiz has been talked up to be something he clearly isn't by the Wilder/PBC fan club.

He's at least 40 years old and his best win is Bryant Jennings, 5 years ago.

Nuff said.

[Marchegiano]

Redeemer's a flat skulled slack jawed fairy who likes to make **** up, or, at best, speak to timeframes and information he has little to no understanding of.

Luis Ortiz was ranked #2 by the WBA in 2012. Explain how or ask me to tell you how Ortiz became a top HW, and, shut the **** while knowledgeable mens speak. 2013 what? 2015 what? He'd already risen by then ya goofy ****. Just because your ass was clueless doesn't mean Ortiz wasn't scaring the pants off the division he rose up in.

You other ****s, like my bro kaf, go on and explain how PBC ****s made Ortiz a top ten in 2012....I'll wait. Wilder? Wilder's not even top 15 yet. I was a fan then, Wilder's busy calling out names like Pulev and Chambers only to get names like (K)Price and Manswell. Again, I don't give a **** if in 2012 you hadn't heard yet, all that means is your ass was not a fan of HWs yet.

Most of youse were not much of fans of the HW division last decade. You slept on the upcomers because you thought Wlad would trounce ass seeing as everyone still looked like the types Wlad trounced until Wlad got his ass kicked and then all of a sudden everyone's a goddamn HW fan whose followed the division closely for twenty years and can tell the story of how we went from ****s like ****ing Mormeck being a GD mando to guys like Ortiz.

Mormeck-Wlad BTW was a 2012 fight. Do you *****es really want to go to bat over Ortiz having no reason for his rise? You don't need to prove he's beaten anyone, no one should feel the need for resume, all he had to do was look better than a ****ing no hoper like Jean McWon'tThrow. The division was sad enough in 2012 for him, Solis, Seth Mitchell, and Tony Grano to all be top five HWs, think about it, no one had resume because the division wasn't rich enough for it and no one wasted their time fighting one another when they could get that Wlad ticket without fighting one another quicker.

Wlad loses and all of a sudden everyone's paying attention to how top tens are made overnight without actually beating anyone, BUT, let's all respect Wlad's ten year reign without a single vol cause he answered all his mandos AND let's use his name to justify the resume of those we like. Despite ****ting all over the ranking system and how no one EVER fought anyone worth a **** the entire time Wlad was champ and how guys were just thrown in rankings willynilly based off regional successes.

Wlad's still respected, no resume worth a **** and what you can say of him "beat top tens doe" was created the same way y'all ***** about Ortiz being ranked. Top tens with no resume has worth only when they are Wlad's resume?

Pov's still respected even though his fare was even sadder, waiting on fellas who were made top tens overnight for no reason to lose their title shot first, then he'd see them out of the ranking board.




Lazy resume whores pretending like resume has anything at all to do with who is ranked where or how fans think of them trying to write a narrative around their beliefs rather than the actuality of what happened. In a nutshell, it's why I tend to not get on with Fury or Joshua fans.

Y'all came late mother ****ers and came with a half assed story. Period. Fury fans always pick up Fury-Wilder after Szpilka. Never do they want to talk about Fury ducking Wilder in public to fight Hammer because trainer-uncle Peter said it was too risky. Joshua fans want to pick up that story a full year after Joshua got embarrassed by Wilder into fighting Martin. Why? Not because you twisty ****s can't twist that **** too but because you ******s just picked up the tale half way through.

[The Big Dunn]

REDEEMER is still upset the TBRB has Ortiz ranked #6 and Pulev #9.

He is a Brit so he is desperate to make this Pulev fight look better than it actually is.

Pulev just defeated Rydell Booker. If you ask Siri or Bixby to look up Booker they will respond "who the f-ck is he?" Before that he defeated some Romanian name Dinu, which is short for "he dinu sh-t as a pro boxer".

[DaNeutral.]

REDEEMER is still upset the TBRB has Ortiz ranked #6 and Pulev #9.

He is a Brit so he is desperate to make this Pulev fight look better than it actually is.

Pulev just defeated Rydell Booker. If you ask Siri or Bixby to look up Booker they will respond "who the f-ck is he?" Before that he defeated some Romanian name Dinu, which is short for "he dinu sh-t as a pro boxer".

It's a mandatory defence. It ain't no cherry so no Joshua fans give a crap what Pulev is doing. Your one of the idiots who thinks he should drop his belts. Lol. Cuz that makes sense?

Thing is Pulev is a bum to you and Ortiz is a king. Yet what has ortiz done that Pulev hasn't?

[The Big Dunn]

It's a mandatory defence. It ain't no cherry so no Joshua fans give a crap what Pulev is doing. Your one of the idiots who thinks he should drop his belts. Lol. Cuz that makes sense?

Thing is Pulev is a bum to you and Ortiz is a king. Yet what has ortiz done that Pulev hasn't?

I asked you which move would you have more respect for, him dropping and making a fight with Wilder or fighting Pulev.

I never once posted or implied he should drop the belt. I never posted Pulev a cherry pick. I never claimed Ortiz was a king.

How about you stop with the fake superlatives and have a conversation like an adult.

I posted Ortiz was better than Pulev. To support that opinion, I pointed out both their resumes and the fact TBRB, a ranking most of us respect, had Ortiz ahead of Pulev. Redeemer has been pissed ever since.