Luis Ortiz And How He Became One of Boxing’s Current ATG”s

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It's a mandatory defence. It ain't no cherry so no Joshua fans give a crap what Pulev is doing. Your one of the idiots who thinks he should drop his belts. Lol. Cuz that makes sense?

Thing is Pulev is a bum to you and Ortiz is a king. Yet what has ortiz done that Pulev hasn't?

Pulev would shut Ortiz down ,in boring fashion but he’s far more difficult to deal with the PBC brainwashed don’t want to hear it though ,Pulev has remained steady he hasn’t declined off like Ortiz in the last years and he’s fought the better opponents outside Wilder . .

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I asked you which move would you have more respect for, him dropping and making a fight with Wilder or fighting Pulev.

I never once posted or implied he should drop the belt. I never posted Pulev a cherry pick. I never claimed Ortiz was a king.

How about you stop with the fake superlatives and have a conversation like an adult.

I posted Ortiz was better than Pulev. To support that opinion, I pointed out both their resumes and the fact TBRB, a ranking most of us respect, had Ortiz ahead of Pulev. Redeemer has been pissed ever since.

If you are suggesting he should drop a belt over a fantasy fight that was already declined by Wilder and Fury you are implying it. You really need an education ,everything you post is backwards . Dropping belts don’t mean the fights are any easier ,it means losing leverage and costing AJ money and status.

[The Big Dunn]

If you are suggesting he should drop a belt over a fantasy fight that was already declined by Wilder and Fury you are implying it. You really need an education ,everything you post is backwards . Dropping belts don’t mean the fights are any easier ,it means losing leverage and costing AJ money and status.

I asked a question to see what his opinion was. He gave an answer and I moved on. In England you guys do ask each other questions in between tea and cucking, right?

Dropping a belt isn't going to cost AJ any leverage. He is likely going to drop the WBO belt anyway to let Usyk win it prior to their fighting.

Just accept the reality that most people have Ortiz well ahead of Pulev. When your last 2 fights are Dinu and Rydell Booker that is to be expected.

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I asked a question to see what his opinion was. He gave an answer and I moved on. In England you guys do ask each other questions in between tea and cucking, right?

Dropping a belt isn't going to cost AJ any leverage. He is likely going to drop the WBO belt anyway to let Usyk win it prior to their fighting.

Just accept the reality that most people have Ortiz well ahead of Pulev. When your last 2 fights are Dinu and Rydell Booker that is to be expected.

Having a belt is leveraging, having multiple ones is more. Please educate yourself .

Most have Ortiz ahead due to popularity and smoke and mirrors and those who are less smart fall for it, sure I won’t debate that,you aren’t exactly the brightest bulb .

I can see you guys foaming at the mouth as you read what most have called very factual thread because there’s not one thing I posted which was fake and it gets to posters like you who don’t post facts ,mainly because you don’t realize you just aren’t that smart .

[The Big Dunn]

Having a belt is leveraging, having multiple ones is more. Please educate yourself .

Most have Ortiz ahead due to popularity and smoke and mirrors and those who are less smart fall for it, sure I won’t debate that,you aren’t exactly the brightest bulb .

I can see you guys foaming at the mouth as you read what most have called very factual thread because there’s not one thing I posted which was fake and it gets to posters like you who don’t post facts ,mainly because you don’t realize you just aren’t that smart .

Having a belt is leverage when you don't fill arenas. I am pretty sure that ODH, Floyd, Manny canelo and AJ don't need belts for leverage.

Ahh so all of these rankings are somehow invalid just because they have Ortiz ahead of Pulev, even though Pulev's last 2 opponents barely crack the top 50 HWT's.

Maybe you're just wrong.

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The thread has an Ortiz title but it is another swipe at Wilder.

Every time there is a Wilder thread you can hear a brit cry

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Having a belt is leverage when you don't fill arenas. I am pretty sure that ODH, Floyd, Manny canelo and AJ don't need belts for leverage.

Ahh so all of these rankings are somehow invalid just because they have Ortiz ahead of Pulev, even though Pulev's last 2 opponents barely crack the top 50 HWT's.

Maybe you're just wrong.

So now Joshua filling arenas without belts is more leverage at a negotiating table ? Like I said you lack any sort intelligence .

I didn’t say anything about rankings ,The fact is. Ortiz last relevant win was 4 years ago. Pulev fighting Dinu , Fury and Chisora are more recent wins than Jennings who is Ortiz claim to fame, again facts . Pulev suffered a bad gash and took a fill in fight to a Booker I’d still put over Hammer ,the Hammer that made Ortiz look his 50 years .

Edit : Maybe you missed the part that stated Ortiz majority of fights included guys on just two fight win streaks, so yea keep comparing the great Ortiz by all means while discredit others ? Ha

[The Big Dunn]

So now Joshua filling arenas without belts is more leverage at a negotiating table ? Like I said you lack any sort intelligence .

I didn’t say anything about rankings ,The fact is. Ortiz last relevant win was 4 years ago. Pulev fighting Dinu , Fury and Chisora are more recent wins than Jennings who is Ortiz claim to fame, again facts . Pulev suffered a bad gash and took a fill in fight to a Booker I’d still put over Hammer ,the Hammer that made Ortiz look his 50 years .

Edit : Maybe you missed the part that stated Ortiz majority of fights included guys on just two fight win streaks, so yea keep comparing the great Ortiz by all means while discredit others ? Ha

If you think him having more belts is more leverage than you don't really understand things. He is not going to give up all the belts, just the WBO, That isn't going to change his leverage. Geez.

Pulev is 14th in WBC, 11th in WBA and not in the top 15 in the WBO. Dinu and Fury aren't ranked right now while chisora is #9 wbo and wba, #13 in wbc and unraked by the IBF, whch ranks Pulev #1. For some reason you these wins as significant.

Again, maybe you are just wrong.

[NORMNEALON]

marchegiano

First let me say I read your posts and I respect all your opinions . And I am an AJ fan but a realist and would pick fury or wilder to beat him atm. That aside I dont fully agree with everything that u wrote here ..... u cant compare wlad to ortiz . Its not the fighters fault what the landscape in the division is like when they are active .....comparing those to is a huge reach . But I do agree that alot of the guys were not fighting at that time , the wlad ticket was there and it was attainable with a simple ranking ( which also wasnt that hard at the time ). That being said even in that division ortiz still didnt fight a ranked guy besides jennings , and he certainly didnt fight klitschko which is about all that would justify what u just said there . Also Tony grano a top 5 heavy ?? LMAO why ?? For knocking out my homie travis kauffman who was coked out at the time . Iam just saying I dont know redeemer but he did admit there was alot of sarcasm when he wrote this as a semi joke but to say it isnt true is not accurate . I think ortiz is a good fighter and I believe he should be top 5 ( or should have pre wilder 2 ) , however does his resume TODAY merit that ranking ?? No it doesnt . I simply wanna see him fight people becusee hes a good fighter and in no way am using this to attack Wilders credentials becuase I have an anti pbc agenda or some bull**** like that . I just wanna see good fights , not a good fighter on his last legs essentially sitting on the shelf except for his 2 recent losses in fights he gave good accounts of himself.

Either way much respect bro

Cheers,


NORMNEALOn

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If you think him having more belts is more leverage than you don't really understand things. He is not going to give up all the belts, just the WBO, That isn't going to change his leverage. Geez.

Pulev is 14th in WBC, 11th in WBA and not in the top 15 in the WBO. Dinu and Fury aren't ranked right now while chisora is #9 wbo and wba, #13 in wbc and unraked by the IBF, whch ranks Pulev #1. For some reason you these wins as significant.

Again, maybe you are just wrong.

Go tell even the dumbest poster on here belts aren’t leverage, you would be laughed at .


Giving up the WBO is easy ,he’ll just win it back ,but you the liar of the forum everyday didn’t say give up the WBO, you said the belts.


Only an uneducated person like you would debate belts aren’t leverage,anyone actually reading this guys posts ? Ha