The haters have hated for 5 years and Wilder is still the champion.

[REDEEMER]

What struggle? He pretty much won every round.

He ate right hands throughout the fight and was breathing heavy while blood coming out of his nose ,there was nothing easy about the fight for Ortiz . Why do you guys reiterate instead of really watching the fight .

[Yoseph]

Man ignore the haters. It's gone take years off your life paying attention to them lol

[REDEEMER]

Well yeah, that's even more removed, that's exactly my beef.

A beats B, B over C, does not mean A will be C

A beats B, C has no one the caliber of B on his record, A is more proven.

Eh? Isn't caliber just even more convoluted subjectivity?

You're saying it is silly to exalt one over another even though one has a direct win over another's direct loss BUT it's okay to elevate one over another even without a direct win because he has a win you think is higher caliber than any of the latter's wins.

That's even more removed, convoluted, and subjective than triangle theory.

Why aren't fighters compared at comparable calibers then?

If Wilder has no good wins why not compare his bad wins to others bad wins and explain how Wilder's became so much more devastating than anyone else's.

Even Marciano has a Lowry. Ever bruiser, every skill king, everyone of them fought cans, but we use resume as a reason to just disregard that part of their record rather than a reason to compare only that part of their records. We just say X has the better names and so wins this comparison....subjective, convoluted, and very close to triangle theory.

Eric Molina had Wilder stiffened like a surf board with a punch and a true scare moment and only his size preventing him from doing further damage missing the follow up punches .

AJ toyed with Molina in only his 18th fight and ended it when he wanted to which was about round 3 and was just a warm up fight leading to Klitschko which was postponed.


There’s your same opponent comparison to how far different these guys are .

[Marchegiano]

Eric Molina had Wilder stiffened like a surf board with a punch and a true scare moment and only his size preventing him from doing further damage missing the follow up punches .

AJ toyed with Molina in only his 18th fight and ended it when he wanted to which was about round 3 and was just a warm up fight leading to Klitschko which was postponed.


There’s your same opponent comparison to how far different these guys are .

Not triangle theory?

[DaNeutral.]

He is not THE champion, he is A champion. We have another champion too and Wilder has ducked that other champion HARD and still is. TILL THIS DAYIUIUUIIUUUYYYYYY.

If Wilder wants to be THE champion he knows who he needs to fight. ANTHONY JOSHUA. But from everything Wilder says he makes it clear he doesnt want to face Joshua and doesnt want to be THE champion.

[WBC WBA IBF WBO]

He is not THE champion, he is A champion. We have another champion too and Wilder has ducked that other champion HARD

Wilder is taking on bigger challenges for less money.

Shouldn't that tell you who was really ducking?

Meanwhile the other champion took on lesser challenges and still got knocked out.

I never got wrapped up in the Joshua and Wilder stuff because I'm a Fury fan and don't really like Joshua or Wilder.

It is strange though that people would criticize the side taking the tougher fights.

[DaNeutral.]

Wilder is taking on bigger challenges for less money.

Shouldn't that tell you who was really ducking?

Meanwhile the other champion took on lesser challenges and still got knocked out.

I never got wrapped up in the Joshua and Wilder stuff because I'm a Fury fan and don't really like Joshua or Wilder.

It is strange though that people would criticize the side taking the tougher fights.

Bigger challenges? You got the less money right. Wilders had his resume criticized his whole career, just cuz he faced a washed up Luis Ortiz who never did jack his whole career and Fury who was still recovering from being a mess and had 2 crap tune ups against nobody it doesnt then turn him in to some giant killer.

I have no problem with anybody tearing in to Joshua's chin or skill level to to accuse him of taking the soft touches when Wilder has been taking on the best is nothing more than spin driven bullsheet and seeing as its coming from the forums biggest liar i dont know why id expect a little better.

You can say Wilders been taking on the biggest challenges all you want but it dont make it the least big true.

[WBC WBA IBF WBO]

Bigger challenges?

Pretty much every expert considers Fury a bigger challenge than Joshua.

So if Wilder is taking less money to face a tougher opponent, that should indicate he wasn't the one ducking the easier fight where he'd make more money. So perhaps the other side didn't want the fight or didn't want the fight on reasonable terms.

[DaNeutral.]

Pretty much every expert considers Fury a bigger challenge than Joshua.

So if Wilder is taking less money to face a tougher opponent, that should indicate he wasn't the one ducking the easier fight where he'd make more money. So perhaps the other side didn't want the fight or didn't want the fight on reasonable terms.

So 1 bigger challenge? Have i got you to admit its bigger challenge and not bigger challenges? Just cuz hes finally grown some balls after over 40 fights you trying to make out that hes been a giant slayer all this time. And it wasnt the challenge so much as UNDISPUTED. 1 Face, 1 name, 1 champion that i wanted, Wilder said thats what he wanted too. And Joshua cant exactly face the biggest challenge if Wilder is. There is only those 3 and they cant all fight at the same time.

Fury is a great fighter but more important to Team Wilder he is a great fighter with LITTLE POWER. Wilder has ducked prime ranked punchers his whole career going back before his duck of Wlad Klitchko.

[Madison Boxing]

yep five years later hes still not beaten anyone. Check ortiz age and pro record before anyone mentions him