The haters have hated for 5 years and Wilder is still the champion.

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This isn’t what I asked

I asked for examples of how many had Wilder winning, and of what proportion. You went out of your way to include the notion of people seeing a Wilder victory, not just a draw, so justify it

I don't think Wilder won the fight. I scored the fight a draw. My position was that a lot of highly respective publications had a draw OR Wilder winning. I've supplied that list.

If your position is that more experts had Fury winning than had Wilder winning, fine. I agree with you. But so many ringside experts had a draw, that Fury winning was actually a minority opinion at ringside. 40% Fury winning, 40% draw, 20% Wilder winning was the result of my ringside poll.

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Last I checked boxings only record setting 4 belt champ is boxrec #1[/url]

Why do you refer to Joshua as a "4 belt champ?" He only has three recognized world titles. If you're going to count every belt he owns, why not the leather belts in his closet as well?

Yes, Joshua is once again #1, but Wilder reaching #1 to begin with, and currently sitting at #2, shows he has faced legit competition.

[R_Walken]

This isn’t what I asked

I asked for examples of how many had Wilder winning, and of what proportion. You went out of your way to include the notion of people seeing a Wilder victory, not just a draw, so justify it

Sorry for jumping in but from what I can remember There was a List Of How everyone scored the fight as far as newspapers / Journalists and it was something like 60% thought Fury won 25% had it a draw and 15% for Wilder

Most believed Fury should have won but around 40% thought Wilder deserved the draw or get the W. So a draw can’t really be considered a robbery

A robbery to me is something like Canelo / GGg 1 . When you looked at the list of media it was something like 88% had Golovkin winning 10% a draw and 2% for Canelo.

When it’s that wide that’s a A-1 got f.ucked in the a.ss with no lube type of robbery.

[_Rexy_]

I might be dumber than a brick, but, you are a wee twink that told me you'd follow me and embarrass me only to **** off like the little ***** you are when I gave you the attention you sought.


I don't need to prove my intellect to a flat-skull. Sad thing is beyond looking and behaving online like a caveman you've all the courage of a mouse.

You've balls like a child: small and inoffensive.

That ****** won't fight you. He challenged me for six months and when I agreed he went silent.

[Richard]

eddie hearn and AJ were hoping that wilder was going away with the first Ortiz fight....

t.

Eddie Hearn possibly but I dont see it with Joshua.

[Curt Henning]

Eddie Hearn possibly but I dont see it with Joshua.

thats fair...but yeah def hearn

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If you didn’t recognise Wlad/Chagaev, fine, but all doubt was erased with Wlad/Povetkin.

When Wladimir fought Povetkin, David Haye was rated higher than Povetkin in TBRB and Kubrat Pulev was rated higher than Povetkin in Ring Magazine.

People desperately wanted Wladimir to be the lineal champion, and he essentially became lineal champion by creating a consensus, but he never actually won a 1 vs 2 match up to become lineal champion. People just kind of looked the other way and allowed him to become lineal without ever fighting 1 vs 2.

[uppercut510]

wilder n aj threads always turn to a bar fight lol the post be long as hell too

[techliam]

When Wladimir fought Povetkin, David Haye was rated higher than Povetkin in TBRB and Kubrat Pulev was rated higher than Povetkin in Ring Magazine.

People desperately wanted Wladimir to be the lineal champion, and he essentially became lineal champion by creating a consensus, but he never actually won a 1 vs 2 match up to become lineal champion. People just kind of looked the other way and allowed him to become lineal without ever fighting 1 vs 2.

Wlad’s lineage as recognised by TBRB stemmed from Wlad beating Povetkin after Haye was removed from the rankings for inactivity on 24/09/13

‘Wladimir Klitschko W12 Alexander Povetkin (5 October 2013—Klitschhko and Povetkin were the top two Transnational-Ranked heavyweights at the time of this bout.)’ - TBRB’s Succession page

I believe he was already the RING champion, so it’s redundant how they ranked Pulev/Povetkin.

Springs Toledo was very passionate about refusing to call Wlad the lineal Champion (or ‘king’ as his article on the matter referred to it as) in 2012, based on Vitali’s role in the division in regards to Chagaev/Wlad. But he was a vocal minority, and Wlad/Povetkin cleared that away

I can’t find any other major publisher that don’t recognise both lineal claims

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Wlad’s lineage as recognised by TBRB stemmed from Wlad beating Povetkin after Haye was removed from the rankings for inactivity on 24/09/13

I just went through TBRB's published ratings. I wasn't aware they altered their ratings 9/24 to try to get Wladimir the lineage. Shows you how desperate people were to try to make him lineal champion. Typically ratings update regularly every week or month, not on random days to try to facilitate lineage.

The fact that Pulev was ahead of Povetkin on Ring shows Povetkin was nowhere near a consensus #2.