The haters have hated for 5 years and Wilder is still the champion.

[Articulateboxin]

Anyone’s who bet Wilder to lose has lost that bet. I know people complain about his opponents, but I’d also like to know what those same people predicted the outcomes would be in those fights? If someone predicted Wilder to win all his fights and still thinks he sucks and is overrated that’s the person I want to hear from? If u thought Brezeale would be a tough fight, or Ortiz would win the rematch, or that he couldn’t get to Fury? are u willing to admit to underrating Wilder? I just want to hear sum peoples track records. Everyone’s Floyd v Manny pick should be known.

I will take that line! I do not think Wilder is any better than most people originally thought, he just hits like a mule. Realistically he's only beaten 1 credible opponent in a 5 year title reign. That is incredibly tough to look past and the best and most convincing fight on his record is a draw, where the majority thought he lost. (I actually thought a draw was fair but that's not general consensus)

I have absolutely no issues at all in saying I thought Brezeale would do better than he did (I still had cash on wilder to win by ko!) and I also picked him to beat Ortiz but felt he would do so coming from behind. Wilder reminds me of Carl Froch in many ways, very similar mindsets, crude as heck at times but tough as nails and inhumane levels of self belief and power, especially so in Wilder's case. However world champions don't tend to lose every second of every round in fights and the ones that do will eventually be found out. I think the same is true of Wilder, if it isn't - awesome! I have been wrong 100 times on boxing and i'm sure ill be wrong 100 times more I can only form an opinion, based on how I see somebody fight.

I think Wilder gets a lot of hate and most of it is entirely unwarranted, admittedly he is a polarising sort of dude but he's still great for the sport!

[Richard]

Ortiz didn’t look good at all and Wilder still looked worse then the last fight they had .
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Of interest though when asked who was the toughest opponent Wilder had faced he said Ortiz.Rated the Ortiz fight tougher for him than Fury which surprised me.

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Of interest though when asked who was the toughest opponent Wilder had faced he said Ortiz.Rated the Ortiz fight tougher for him than Fury which surprised me.

Ortiz was trying to hurt him. Fury was more of an annoyance ,there’s a difference between toughest and difficulty. Fury can be both in the rematch,I got him by stoppage because he can be boxer and a puncher . Those who think he can’t punch and hurt Wilder don’t really watch full Wilder fights otherwise they would see he can get stunned rather easily .

I’d say Ortiz last year was his toughest fight , it’s harder to fight a guy trying to end the fight, Fury will go for the knockout and take away his offense , watch.

[Richard]

Ortiz was trying to hurt him. Fury was more of an annoyance ,there’s a difference between toughest and difficulty. Fury can be both in the rematch,I got him by stoppage because he can be boxer and a puncher . Those who think he can’t punch and hurt Wilder don’t really watch full Wilder fights otherwise they would see he can get stunned rather easily .

I’d say Ortiz last year was his toughest fight , it’s harder to fight a guy trying to end the fight, Fury will go for the knockout and take away his offense , watch.

Yes but still surprised that you thought Ortiz didnt look good against Wilder in both fights.I watched the highlights of the first and bought the second fight.In the first fight it was the closest to Wilder ever being stopped.In the 2nd fight he was winning almost all the rounds prior to being stopped in the 7th.

[N/A]

and how many people actually give a ***************?

Every fighter, manager, promoter and TV network.

If the NYSAC and IBU isn't around today, it didn't work.

They are still around today. The IBU is now known as the EBU. The NSC is now the BBBoC. The NYSAC is still the NYSAC. The World Boxing Council was jointly founded by all of the most prestigious boxing organizations in the world. The first actual world championship.

I don't recognise the WBC as the most prestigious.

That's fine, but the fighters, managers, promoters and networks do.

I recognise the WBO as one of the four titles, if you decide not to

That's fine, but the fighters, managers, promoters and networks consider it the least prestigious of the four.

I don't care who is the best tennis player. But there aren't weight classes in Tennis are there, you fool.

Whether you divide by weight, height, experience, age, gender, physical ability or anything else, you're dividing so that athletes who wouldn't normally win can compete against lesser competition and have a chance to win.

[Marchegiano]

and how many people actually give a ***************? Probably a handful of people on here. That's like me claiming that Great Britain is the most prestigious country because of the British Empire being the best one in History. But it doesn't mean that at all. What history actually teaches us is the mistakes that people made before. If the NYSAC and IBU isn't around today, it didn't work.



I don't recognise the WBC as the most prestigious. So, its now a FACT that the WBC isn't a fully recognised as the most prestigious title. So when you say something isn't 'fully recognised', one person can disagree to make that true. I recognise the WBO as one of the four titles, if you decide not to, then yes, its not fully recognised.

Let me guess, you're thinking 'Who cares about this guys opinion?', well I say 'right back at you'.



I don't care who is the best tennis player. But there aren't weight classes in Tennis are there, you fool.

If the best Tennis player suddenly has a major accident and becomes paralysed and competes in the Wheelchair tennis, you are saying that being handicapped means you can't be the best? So now you have a thing against equality of handicapped people?

What if Wilder has a sex change? Does that mean you'll abandon your boyfriend?

Wilder is NOT the best. Not even close. Fury and Joshua are far more complete boxers than Wilder. Wilder is a right hand, with a title.

Katie Taylor is a better boxer than Wilder.

Its fucking dickheads like you that can set humanity back 50 years with your opinions.

The IBU is the EBU. They were the major body in Europe and had joint mandates with the NYSAC for American interest in euro boxing and euro interest in US boxing. They were the biggest body outside of NY period.

They got taken over by the ****s in WWII and turned into the Associazione Pugilistica Professionistica Europea, the allies won the IBU back, the IBU, like all of Europe, was wrecked financially by the war. They partnered with the still strong NYSAC who had grown too large to handle sanctioning fights anymore and created the WBC. The EBU champions are auto ranked on the WBC top tens, the WBC champion are given recognition by the EBU as their world champions.

So, WBC, the poster, tells not lies here.

The NSC's story is quite similar except rather than being based in France they're based in England....so were leveled but their severity remained. The National Sporting Club, who has roots as far back as the Pugilistic Society and Pelican Club reformed as the BBBofC, like the I/EBU the BBBofC had financial difficulty post war and sought ties with the NYSAC for exposure of their fighters. They too would become a regional title with their official world champion being the WBC world champions while their champions are auto ranked on WBC ranking boards.


The NYSAC simply grew too big and made the WBC out of its own sanctioning arm, the IBU/EBU and their european connections, and the NSC/BBBofC and their English connections.


Nothing about the lack of NYSAC sanctioning or NSC and IBU world champions speaks to any failure in boxing by any of the organizations.

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Yes but still surprised that you thought Ortiz didnt look good against Wilder in both fights.I watched the highlights of the first and bought the second fight.In the first fight it was the closest to Wilder ever being stopped.In the 2nd fight he was winning almost all the rounds prior to being stopped in the 7th.

That’s the problem people watch highlights which can make anyone look good picking areas in a fight but the whole fight shows an Old Ortiz not remotely resembling the one last year, he has aged significantly since ,his last fights prove it which shows very little movement and very stagnate defense of a low punch count as well .


Wilder loses most rounds so I’m not sure what Ortiz winning would prove ? In fact he is the only champion I can recall that can’t keep ahead of his opponents on scorecards majority of the time ,not including corruption on official scorecards which is obviously present in fights where no way he was ahead. Ha

Edit : I actually know why Ortiz looked slow and rusty beyond advanced age and it was bc he had triple the lay off then last time,he’s a fighter that needs to stay active,for this reason I knew it was a fight not going much into late rounds in huge favor of Wilder, which he knew as well, another made safe fight for team Wilder against the highest ranking guy he knew his fans would blow up to ridiculous proportions like they do on here .

[just the facts]

That’s the problem people watch highlights which can make anyone look good picking areas in a fight but the whole fight shows an Old Ortiz not remotely resembling the one last year,he has aged significantly since ,his last fights prove it which shows very little movement and very stagnate defense of a low punch count as well .


Wilder loses most rounds so I’m not sure what Ortiz winning would prove ? In fact he is the only champion I can recall that can’t keep ahead of his opponents on scorecards majority of the time ,not including corruption on official scorecards which is obviously present in fights where no way he was ahead. Ha

Give no credibility to this agenda driven idiot. He’s actually picked Wilders opponent in at least his last six fights.

What’s with your weird negative obsession with Wilder? Racism? Anti American agenda? What? You post about absolutely nothing but negative Wilder posts. What gives?

[Richard]

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What’s with your weird negative obsession with Wilder?

Its a shame that some dont see more positives with Wilder.Listening to the boxing podcast on the BBC Mike Costello I think it was had Wilder as the hardest hitting heavyweight of the last 30 years just behind Lennox Lewis and i think it was Ernie Shavers.

[Kezzer]

Rather than read the lengthy post about your beloved wilder (who you hold no bias for apparently)..

Let’s be honest here, 95% of people didn’t know who wilder was five years ago. Infact I’ll be honest , when Joshua was fighting Klitschko that was about the first time I had ever heard/seen him myself. I’ve since watched fights but it was only after that day.

So don’t go claiming people have hated him the whole time he has been champion , because it’s simply not true at all.

Obviously more American and hardcore fans in particular will know him before then but I’m not going to pretend I was among them at that point in time.

He has in more recent years taken on more credible opponents and I respect him more now, although I wish he didn’t rematch Ortiz as I think that was a wasted fight he could have gone against Whyte, Parker or someone similarly near the top10 who he hadn’t fought yet