Did Floyd beat anyone at their best in the last ten years?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Ricky Hatton for one springs to mind.

Well said

I think its jealousy coupled with the fact that Floyd outside the ring was convicted for beating up his wife.For me I take the line that he is a outstanding boxer and have utmost admiration for his talent which is why he is my favourite boxer as he's the one Ive grown up watching.

I hope he has learnt from his past misdemeanours but given his background eg deprived and drug ridden was more likely to go astray than say the normal person.

I always believe though most can change if they have enough love and disciple showered on them.

Well yes I would of stated Ricky Hatton, but I don't think? That was within the last decade.

But for sure Floyd Mayweather beat a peak Ricky Hatton, absolute peak.

Hatton did well in that fight.

[KTFOKING]

Not sure what the ambiguity is about; Manny fought with an injured shoulder and was not the same fighter he was against Cotto or Margarito. That's just a fact. Mayweather himself has openly admitted he marinated the fight for five years. He claims it was because he had clairvoyant powers to predict it would sell better later on down the road, but the fact is he waited him out until he saw some kinks in his armor.

Canelo as we've already pointed out, has been a much improved fighter since losing to Floyd. So again, not at his very best.

Regarding weight classes, some fighters can outgrow a division and still be at their best when they move up. Both Floyd and Manny proved that. Floyd was still every bit as capable at 147 as he was at 130, he just adopted a more defensive style that was risk averse.

Injured shoulder? He seemed fine to me throwing with both hands. It was Mayweather hitting him with sharp counters and not giving him a easy target that made him hesitant. No one was talking about his shoulder in the 4th and 6th rounds when he got his combinations off and buzzed Mayweather.

Canelo improved in part because of the Mayweather fight. But that same Canelo a year later was able to beat Lara. Canelo was still prime when he fought Mayweather. He had been pro for eight years and had over 40 fights. Canelo is still in close fights against the top fighters like he's always been, nothing has changed there. His style is just tailor made for Mayweather. Canelo at his heart is a counter puncher who out skills his opponents yet that wasn't happening against Mayweather who was the more talented counter puncher while being the quicker fighter. People try to down play that win by lying on how Canelo was 21 years old or 22 years old when in fact he was 23 years old....A year older than the Tommy Hearns that SRL beat and the same age that Mayweather arguably put on his best performance against Corrales.

[therealpugilist]

Injured shoulder? He seemed fine to me throwing with both hands. It was Mayweather hitting him with sharp counters and not giving him a easy target that made him hesitant. No one was talking about his shoulder in the 4th and 6th rounds when he got his combinations off and buzzed Mayweather.

Canelo improved in part because of the Mayweather fight. But that same Canelo a year later was able to beat Lara. Canelo was still prime when he fought Mayweather. He had been pro for eight years and had over 40 fights. Canelo is still in close fights against the top fighters like he's always been, nothing has changed there. His style is just tailor made for Mayweather. Canelo at his heart is a counter puncher who out skills his opponents yet that wasn't happening against Mayweather who was the more talented counter puncher while being the quicker fighter. People try to down play that win by lying on how Canelo was 21 years old or 22 years old when in fact he was 23 years old....A year older than the Tommy Hearns that SRL beat and the same age that Mayweather arguably put on his best performance against Corrales.

check mate

[Real King Kong]

He had his shot to do it vs pac in 2010.

[kushking]

Injured shoulder? He seemed fine to me throwing with both hands. It was Mayweather hitting him with sharp counters and not giving him a easy target that made him hesitant. No one was talking about his shoulder in the 4th and 6th rounds when he got his combinations off and buzzed Mayweather.

Canelo improved in part because of the Mayweather fight. But that same Canelo a year later was able to beat Lara. Canelo was still prime when he fought Mayweather. He had been pro for eight years and had over 40 fights. Canelo is still in close fights against the top fighters like he's always been, nothing has changed there. His style is just tailor made for Mayweather. Canelo at his heart is a counter puncher who out skills his opponents yet that wasn't happening against Mayweather who was the more talented counter puncher while being the quicker fighter. People try to down play that win by lying on how Canelo was 21 years old or 22 years old when in fact he was 23 years old....A year older than the Tommy Hearns that SRL beat and the same age that Mayweather arguably put on his best performance against Corrales.

He was 2 mos past 23,& the reason floyd doesn't get full credit is because he was talking mad sht about pacs cw fights for yrs about how unlike pac he wants his opponents at their best then he bragged incessantly about weightdraining canelo whom made it clear he couldn't make 152 without being drained af. He didn't fight the same canelo as Trout or Lara,those extra 2 lbs make a world of difference when its a struggle to make 154 let alone 152 he hadn't made for almost 3 yrs since he was still growing at 20 yo. Floyd spent his career making more money than anyone by being the villan with these sorts of things,its now coming back on him when it comes to him getting full credit he doesn't because of these things

[KTFOKING]

He was 2 mos past 23,& the reason floyd doesn't get credit is because he was talking mad sht about pacs cw fights for yrs about how unlike pac he wants his opponents at their best then he bragged incessantly about weightdraining canelo whom made it clear he couldn't make 152 without being drained af.

That's fine, last time I checked Pacquiao still got plenty of credit for beating Cotto at catchweight and his other catchweight fights as he was the FOTY in the 2000s.

So Floyd is a hypocrite for his catchweight comments? Great! Doesn't make his performance any less impressive, everyone with two eyes saw what happened that night. One of the best boxing performances of the last 20 years.

And drained AF? I'm sure he would have preferred to fight at 154, but what about him that day made you think he was "drained AF?" Was his chin not the same? Did he have less pop? Was he not able to get his shots off? Canelo looked just fine to me. His gas tank was the same as always, in fact he was busier vs Floyd than he was against Trout a fight prior. Canelo in the last three round threw more shots against Floyd than he did against Trout. This is the problem, you want to see what you want to see and were going to downplay whatever Floyd accomplished regardless. You can try to twist it any way you want, but that doesn't make it any more true or even reality. Canelo deep in his heart knew what happened, as did the rest of the world.

And what does 2 months past 23 mean? He was 23 was he not? Was he not a pro for damn near 8 years with over 40 fights when he fought Floyd? Was Hearns not 22 when SRL beat him and that is seen, RIGHTFULLY so as one of the best fights in the history?

[MEXICAN STYLE]

IRS / Uncle Sam LMAO

[GhostofDempsey]

that man was throwing bombs 12 rounds, nothing was wrong with his shoulder and definitely not a tear, cant even pick up a bag of groceries let alone lift youe hands up over head, take selfies, throw hundreds of powershots, yet never winced or complained in the corner

sounds like excuses to me

tough tittie

the man was never on floyds level and thats OK

Bombs? LMAO. Yeah ok. I guess he had fake surgery after the fight too. He requested a shot prior to the fight which was denied. Even though Floyd was allowed an illegal IV to "rehydrate".

Injured shoulder? He seemed fine to me throwing with both hands. It was Mayweather hitting him with sharp counters and not giving him a easy target that made him hesitant. No one was talking about his shoulder in the 4th and 6th rounds when he got his combinations off and buzzed Mayweather.

Canelo improved in part because of the Mayweather fight. But that same Canelo a year later was able to beat Lara. Canelo was still prime when he fought Mayweather. He had been pro for eight years and had over 40 fights. Canelo is still in close fights against the top fighters like he's always been, nothing has changed there. His style is just tailor made for Mayweather. Canelo at his heart is a counter puncher who out skills his opponents yet that wasn't happening against Mayweather who was the more talented counter puncher while being the quicker fighter. People try to down play that win by lying on how Canelo was 21 years old or 22 years old when in fact he was 23 years old....A year older than the Tommy Hearns that SRL beat and the same age that Mayweather arguably put on his best performance against Corrales.

Manny's last good round was the one he did further injury to his shoulder, round four. Like I said, there was a reason Floyd "Marinated" this fight for as long as he did and it had nothing to do with money.

You are mistaking youth with prime. Floyd himself said that age 22 is too young for a fighter to be in there with a 28 or 30 year old. So that logic only applies to Tank but not Canelo?

[The Big Dunn]

I'm not among those who thought Vargas was an elite level fighter. I always saw him for what he was, a gritty B-level fighter who was limited. Exciting and fun to watch, but not on the level of a Tito or Oscar. As we know, titles do not dictate the quality of a fighter, as there are way too many belts to go around.

Bradley signing with TR was a business move and a smart one at that. It still would not have prevented him from fighting Floyd if he was willing to take that fight. Floyd was the shot-caller at 147, he could have removed all the hurdles to making that fight regardless of who signed with who.



No, because Manny and Canelo were not at their best. I can't see how anyone can make an argument to the contrary. Canelo was at a CW, and had never been in a fight of that magnitude before. What were his best wins coming into that fight? Cintron? Lopez? Trout--who many believed that fight could have gone either way? Mosley was coming off a loss to Manny and was not in his prime.

Manny had a bum shoulder. I know a lot of Floyd fans want to dismiss that fact, but that was a fight that should have taken place 4 or 5 years earlier. It was past it's expiration date. Floyd marinated that one too long.

Ok, fair enough. You don't think Vargas was but the majority of people do. I agree he wasn't on the level of Tito or Oscar.

Ultimately, that is the thing about Floyd. It wasn't that these guys weren't prime, its that they weren't on Floyd's level.

Of course it prevented him from fighting Floyd. We have to be honest about the situation. TR guys weren't fighting Floyd for reasons we are all aware. Tim made a smart deal but he also chose the easier fighter.

Interesting. Canelo wasn't at his best because of the CW, but you wouldn't say the same about Cotto when he fought Manny which was also a CW. Yes, Canelo had some close fights, but that doesn't mean he wasn't at his best.

Canelo is considered the top guy right now by many and he was being outboxed by 36 yr old Kov when he scored the KO. He also arguably lost to GGG in the 1st fight. Both of these guys are much slower and not as good as Floyd.

Mosley fought Floyd before he fought Manny.

The fight could've taken place earlier. Set aside how you feel about Floyd personally and be honest why those fights didn't happen.

Manny said no to testing. ok. Then he said no to $40 mil, no ppv. He got elective plastic surgery from Bob's son in law after Nevada allowed Floyd to delay his jail sentence so they could fight. It is completely unfair to post that was Floyd marinating it too long.

I know you HATE Floyd but what happened is Manny waited, cherry picked JMM and got KTFO for $28 mil instead of taking the $40 mil because the no ppv hurt his pride.

He also grabbed the wrong shoulder in the press conference and Bob and Freddie argued about when the injury occurred.

You picked Manny to win right? If so, it is extremely biased to then complain the fight was "past the expiration date" after the fact.

Let me just say thank you for the debate. I apologize for all the bad will I created previously.

[KTFOKING]

Bombs? LMAO. Yeah ok. I guess he had fake surgery after the fight too. He requested a shot prior to the fight which was denied. Even though Floyd was allowed an illegal IV to "rehydrate".



Manny's last good round was the one he did further injury to his shoulder, round four. Like I said, there was a reason Floyd "Marinated" this fight for as long as he did and it had nothing to do with money.

You are mistaking youth with prime. Floyd himself said that age 22 is too young for a fighter to be in there with a 28 or 30 year old. So that logic only applies to Tank but not Canelo?

Oh, so Manny's best round was his only good one huh? That's the only time he threw with his bad shoulder? How convenient. No, he was throwing with both hands all fight. A sharp counter puncher will always slow Manny enough, and someone as elusive as Floyd made him even more hesitant. That's all there was to it.

Why are we bringing up Tank here? And just off that, Tank doesn't have eight years of pro experience nor 40 fights like Canelo....That was off your argument. Personally? I've been grilling Tank and wanting him to tank on Lomachenko for TWO YEARS NOW. I've said numerous times that his team need to stop holding him back and let him take the fight since he will be competitive, even if he loses....So yes, I've been wanting to see Tank in with Canelo since he's been 22 years old.

A prime age is different for all fighters. While some are in their primes in their late 20s, others are starting to slow down at that age, ala Morales. Canelo wasn't too young for Floyd, he just lost to the better fighter and that lost made him a better fighter...Same that I feel a loss would do for Tank against Lomachenko, if indeed he does lose.