Did Floyd beat anyone at their best in the last ten years?

[The Big Dunn]

Ricky Hatton for one springs to mind.

Well said

I think its jealousy coupled with the fact that Floyd outside the ring was convicted for beating up his wife.For me I take the line that he is a outstanding boxer and have utmost admiration for his talent which is why he is my favourite boxer as he's the one Ive grown up watching.

I hope he has learnt from his past misdemeanours but given his background eg deprived and drug ridden was more likely to go astray than say the normal person.

I always believe though most can change if they have enough love and disciple showered on them.

I think Floyd beating women should determine how we judge Floyd as a man. However, his going to jail for DV and beating women has absolutely no bearing on how we should judge his opposition.

Floyd may be a de****able human being. That doesn't give any poster the right to demean and denigrate the quality of opposition he faced because they don't do that for other boxers who have also committed acts of DV and have beaten women.

I'm fine if a poster hates Floyd the man, but that doesn't give them carte blanche to try and knock his resume down a peg and blame him for the actions of other grown men.

[The Big Dunn]

Ok, but where did I mention Vargas at all?

Pretty big assumption there

I was just making a comparison. I wasn't saying you were wrong for your opinion, I was just comparing how people judge Canelo v Vargas.

[The Big Dunn]

Injured shoulder? He seemed fine to me throwing with both hands. It was Mayweather hitting him with sharp counters and not giving him a easy target that made him hesitant. No one was talking about his shoulder in the 4th and 6th rounds when he got his combinations off and buzzed Mayweather.

Canelo improved in part because of the Mayweather fight. But that same Canelo a year later was able to beat Lara. Canelo was still prime when he fought Mayweather. He had been pro for eight years and had over 40 fights. Canelo is still in close fights against the top fighters like he's always been, nothing has changed there. His style is just tailor made for Mayweather. Canelo at his heart is a counter puncher who out skills his opponents yet that wasn't happening against Mayweather who was the more talented counter puncher while being the quicker fighter. People try to down play that win by lying on how Canelo was 21 years old or 22 years old when in fact he was 23 years old....A year older than the Tommy Hearns that SRL beat and the same age that Mayweather arguably put on his best performance against Corrales.

Your points in the 2nd paragraph are very solid. I think deep down people know Canelo was prime. I think when you compare Canelo with some other young fighters that lost you see people give them full credit.

With Floyd the CW and Canelo being 23 are the only ways they can knock the win down a bit so they use whatever they can.

[The tucker]

Can someone define what there prime is? If I’m not mistaken if floyd didn’t fight anyone in their prime in the last 10 years anybody who fought Floyd from 2010 and up got a out of prime Floyd.

Freddie roach has been saying since the mosley fight(2010) that floyd has lost his legs and does not move like he used to.

Canelo didn’t fight a prime mayweather, nor did pacquioa hell a lot of pacquiao’s opponents was after Floyd beat them, maidana coming off the biggest win of his career must have been out of his prime, Guerrero only had one loss when he fought Floyd so what are we talking about here?

[KTFOKING]

Your points in the 2nd paragraph are very solid. I think deep down people know Canelo was prime. I think when you compare Canelo with some other young fighters that lost you see people give them full credit.

With Floyd the CW and Canelo being 23 are the only ways they can knock the win down a bit so they use whatever they can.

Here is the thing, you can twist and knock any resume' in the game. I can easily knock Pacquiao's resume' or Canelo's or Floyd's or this guy's or that guy's. People will see what they want to see. Heck, I had one guy a few weeks try to knock Spence's resume and said Crawford's was better at WW and then tried to knock every win for Spence....When I did the same for Crawford, I got no response in return.

[therealpugilist]

Ok, fair enough. You don't think Vargas was but the majority of people do. I agree he wasn't on the level of Tito or Oscar.

Ultimately, that is the thing about Floyd. It wasn't that these guys weren't prime, its that they weren't on Floyd's level.

Of course it prevented him from fighting Floyd. We have to be honest about the situation. TR guys weren't fighting Floyd for reasons we are all aware. Tim made a smart deal but he also chose the easier fighter.

Interesting. Canelo wasn't at his best because of the CW, but you wouldn't say the same about Cotto when he fought Manny which was also a CW. Yes, Canelo had some close fights, but that doesn't mean he wasn't at his best.

Canelo is considered the top guy right now by many and he was being outboxed by 36 yr old Kov when he scored the KO. He also arguably lost to GGG in the 1st fight. Both of these guys are much slower and not as good as Floyd.

Mosley fought Floyd before he fought Manny.

The fight could've taken place earlier. Set aside how you feel about Floyd personally and be honest why those fights didn't happen.

Manny said no to testing. ok. Then he said no to $40 mil, no ppv. He got elective plastic surgery from Bob's son in law after Nevada allowed Floyd to delay his jail sentence so they could fight. It is completely unfair to post that was Floyd marinating it too long.

I know you HATE Floyd but what happened is Manny waited, cherry picked JMM and got KTFO for $28 mil instead of taking the $40 mil because the no ppv hurt his pride.

He also grabbed the wrong shoulder in the press conference and Bob and Freddie argued about when the injury occurred.

You picked Manny to win right? If so, it is extremely biased to then complain the fight was "past the expiration date" after the fact.

Let me just say thank you for the debate. I apologize for all the bad will I created previously.

sums it up

[The Big Dunn]

Here is the thing, you can twist and knock any resume' in the game. I can easily knock Pacquiao's resume' or Canelo's or Floyd's or this guy's or that guy's. People will see what they want to see. Heck, I had one guy a few weeks try to knock Spence's resume and said Crawford's was better at WW and then tried to knock every win for Spence....When I did the same for Crawford, I got no response in return.

Exactly. we can always pick apart anyone's resume. I just don't think "beats women" or "is a Senator" factors into how we judge the opposition one faces.

[CHOWWOKKA]

Maybe Maidana but doesnt matter cause it's the best resume in the past 10 years. And that's why hes FOTD

[The Big Dunn]

sums it up

I doubt we will ever see the posters that really hate Floyd ever give him his due in this regard.

The guys always point out that Canelo was 23, but Floyd was 36. Just for comparisons sake-Leonard was 35 when he lost to 24 yr old Terry Norris. Ali was 35 and lost to 25 yr old Spinks, then beat him to regain the title.

Its not easy to beat young guys at that age even if you are a top 5-10 ATG fighter because you've usually aged significantly.

[therealpugilist]

I doubt we will ever see the posters that really hate Floyd ever give him his due in this regard.

The guys always point out that Canelo was 23, but Floyd was 36. Just for comparisons sake-Leonard was 35 when he lost to 24 yr old Terry Norris. Ali was 35 and lost to 25 yr old Spinks, then beat him to regain the title.

Its not easy to beat young guys at that age even if you are a top 5-10 ATG fighter because you've usually aged significantly.

bingo, they think floyd is some kind of eternal or ageless fighter or something, the man hasnt been prime since mid 2000s