Crawford asked Hearn to fight the winner of Garcia vs Vargas

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Hey OnePunch, I got a quick question.

Why are you wasting your time arguing with a guy who once claimed to be an insider with knowledge that Wilder/Joshua was basically a lock for Q4 2018?

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Care to wager on that? If they both keep winning, it is very likely they (Wilder/Joshua) fight in 2018.

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Wilder is "asking" for 50/50 because Joshua is going to "ask" for 70/30. They'll agree on 60/40 and then they'll fight.

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Why are you wasting your time arguing with a guy who once claimed to be an insider with knowledge that Wilder/Joshua was basically a lock for Q4 2018?

You were right about them not fighting, so why do you have to lie about what I said? Whether I'm an "insider" or not, I didn't claim to have inside information about the fight happening. I just said I thought it was likely it would happen. The fight ended up being agreed to, contracts were sent out, etc, so your position that there was "no way" the fight would happen came pretty close to being wrong. I underestimated Hearn's desire to duck the fight. You didn't. Congratulations.

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If doing over 60 shows, being involved in events on ESPN, Showtime, HBO, and HBO PPV is "failing spectacularly", then yeah, I guess you are correct.

The point of being a promoter is to MAKE MONEY. You LOST MONEY. So yes, you were successful at playing dress up. You were successful at playing make believe. You were successful at pay to play so you could pretend to be a promoter. But as a promoter you were a spectacular failure. You've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars as a promoter. I've made hundreds of thousands of dollars as a promoter. That's the difference. This is actually how I make my living and I've been fortunate to be successful. You did it as a hobby and were willing to lose money so you could be a fanboy and pretend to be a promoter. Big difference.

And to your weak attempt to compare boxing management to talent agencies and concert promoters, please let me know when they expanded the Ali Act to cover those occupations. I must have missed that..........

This is the legal definition of boxing manager:

"The term “manager” means a person who receives compensation for service as an agent or representative of a boxer."

In all industries, it is standard procedure for the agent or representative of a talent to be sent a check and for them to then cut a check to the talent. In boxing, the filed purse is often given directly to the boxer, but there is absolutely nothing in the Ali act that bars television license fees from being sent to the manager.

That's something you completely made up in your head. There is nothing about funds being sent to a manager that then automatically makes them a promoter. It's a bizarre interpretation of the Ali act with no basis in reality.

[OnePunch]

Hey OnePunch, I got a quick question.

Why are you wasting your time arguing with a guy who once claimed to be an insider with knowledge that Wilder/Joshua was basically a lock for Q4 2018?

although having a meaningful dialog with someone like him is indeed impossible, I trust that others reading the thread might gain some insight from what I have to say.

And maybe some find value in that. And maybe some think I contribute nothing worthwhile.

Everyone is free to decide for themselves if my posts are worth reading. But I feel if I just give up posting (which happens sometimes), then I'm contributing to this forum folding like Max boxing, and others before that........

[OnePunch]

The point of being a promoter is to MAKE MONEY. You LOST MONEY. So yes, you were successful at playing dress up. You were successful at playing make believe. You were successful at pay to play so you could pretend to be a promoter. But as a promoter you were a spectacular failure. You've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars as a promoter. I've made hundreds of thousands of dollars as a promoter. That's the difference. This is actually how I make my living and I've been fortunate to be successful. You did it as a hobby and were willing to lose money so you could be a fanboy and pretend to be a promoter. Big difference.




This is the legal definition of boxing manager:

"The term “manager” means a person who receives compensation for service as an agent or representative of a boxer."

In all industries, it is standard procedure for the agent or representative of a talent to be sent a check and for them to then cut a check to the talent. In boxing, the filed purse is often given directly to the boxer, but there is absolutely nothing in the Ali act that bars television license fees from being sent to the manager.

That's something you completely made up in your head. There is nothing about funds being sent to a manager that then automatically makes them a promoter. It's a bizarre interpretation of the Ali act with no basis in reality.

those industries are not regulated by the Ali Act, dunce.

And Im not going to apologize for being successful enough at life that I can do the things I want to do, without being burdened with having to worry about whether or not they make money.

One day you might understand the concept of "doing what you enjoy". That's what I do pretty much every single day. And at a certain point, you realize that once you get past the monetary number that you "need", the rest is just numbers on a bank statement. Its meaningless.

You have a rather bizarre, and somewhat sad way of looking at life.


Edit: And you really need to get over it. We simply disagree about what managers can and cannot do under the Ali Act. Learn to live with the fact that you're not going to change my mind.
I dont understand why it is so important to you to be the head cheerleader of the Haymon Fan Club. Are you secretly hoping that in appreciation of your efforts he pops out a teet that you can suckle on? I dont understand it.......

[Combat Talk Radio]

although having a meaningful dialog with someone like him is indeed impossible, I trust that others reading the thread might gain some insight from what I have to say.

And maybe some find value in that. And maybe some think I contribute nothing worthwhile.

Everyone is free to decide for themselves if my posts are worth reading. But I feel if I just give up posting (which happens sometimes), then I'm contributing to this forum folding like Max boxing, and others before that........

Fair - and I respect it especially the last sentence.

My stance is this. If someone comes respectfully, they'll never have an issue with me. It's when people start crossing the line into disrespectful or childish territory that they get added to The List. And as I said elsewhere, it's EXTREMELY hard to get me to the point of ignoring you if you act like a grownup.

Either way, major respect to you for taking the high road - the one less traveled.

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those industries are not regulated by the Ali Act, dunce.

If the Ali act said, "boxers may not also work as secretaries," you would look to other industries to reasonably define what are and are not the duties of a secretary. The legal definition of a boxing manager under federal law is a person who receives compensation for service as an agent or representative. Agents and representatives are often highly regulated in other industries. There's nothing in the Ali act, and nothing in the regulations of other similar industries, that bar a TV network from cutting the check (or wiring the money) to the management company. You've dreamed it up in your head that there's something illegal about that. There's not and you've failed to find anything in the Ali act saying otherwise.

And Im not going to apologize for being successful enough at life that I can do the things I want to do, without being burdened with having to worry about whether or not they make money.

I'm not saying you should apologize, I'm just pointing out that you failed and you're not a credible expert. If you liked to play with ****, that wouldn't make you a successful professional plumber.

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My stance is this. If someone comes respectfully, they'll never have an issue with me. It's when people start crossing the line into disrespectful or childish territory that they get added to The List. And as I said elsewhere, it's EXTREMELY hard to get me to the point of ignoring you if you act like a grownup.

It wasn't very grown up of you to purposely misrepresent what I said. Many would argue that purposely misrepresenting what someone said is disrespectful to that person. It's also childish.

Shouldn't you practice what you preach?

[OnePunch]

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I'm not saying you should apologize, I'm just pointing out that you failed and you're not a credible expert. If you liked to play with ****, that wouldn't make you a successful professional plumber.

again, you have a sad view of life. I wanted to do some shows. I ended up doing over 60 of them, and worked with everyone from Don King to Dan Goosen to DelaHoya. Met a TON of great people along the way, and had experiences that most people cant get in 100 lifetimes. It was NEVER about money.

Small minded people with small bank accounts think THAT way. You just exposed yourself as a broke fraud. Because if you had any REAL money, you wouldn't think the way you do.

Keep counting your nickels lolol

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again, you have a sad view of life.

Not at all. I'm happy you had fun. We real promoters need money marks like you. I wish we had a million of ya. Nothing wrong with what you did. It was pay to play. You lost money so you could pretend to be a promoter. Just be honest about it. Your analysis of the industry is a joke because you were a joke. You never ever had any success in the fight game. You were a pay to play money mark. That's it.

Which is why you don't understand what a promoter is, what a manager is and what the Ali act disallows. You've completely invented this nonsense that money can't be sent to a management company to then be dispersed to a fighter. You have absolutely nothing to back that up, which is why you're trying to change the subject.