Wilder is the only fighter accused of ducking a random #1 contender

[Robbie Barrett]

Sounds like a he said-he said to me.

Asking for the full terms and Wilder's side not giving them was confirmed by both sides. Wilder's team said they wanted Joshua to agree before giving them

The negotiations between Wilder's side and BT was confirmed by Frank Warren.

Even if you choose not to believe Warren, you couldn't expect Joshua to agree to a fight he didn't know the terms of.

Impossible to accept. Not a duck.

[Inspired]

1. Who cares that Whyte has wanted to fight Wilder for years?

2. Wilder made $20 million in his last two fights. Whyte should have come up with more money.

3. See answer for #2

4. What the WBC does is Wilder’s fault because...?

5. Canelo Alvarez hasn’t fought a mandatory in 8 years and has avoided Andrade in two different divisions. No one cares. GGG was Canelo’s highest payday and Canelo gave up a belt and waited to fight him. No one cares.

1) most of us boxing fans, we know, talk about it..and therefore it is very relevant. it isnt just some obscure call out. it's been one of THE top HW call topics for a while.

2) wilder should be the one offering money to credible opponents. i didnt want to see another ortiz in-house fight.
Wilder got $10m vs brezeale..after being offered $20m by dazn...and he did **** numbers vs ortiz, got $5m.
He would have got more vs whyte than he did vs ortiz.

3) well like brezeale being named mandatory because wilder was going to get taken to court by brezeale. wbc made brezeale the mandatory to protect wilder.
let's not pretend here, wbc is in al haymons pocket.
See Brett Yormark

4) Canelo is a different case to Wilder, diff contexts. Canelo has been a multi weight division champion in different contexts.
He fought mandatories when he was the wbc LMW champion. He lost to Floyd and by the time he became champion again at MW, he strategically picked up belts at MW and LMW. Eg he could ditch the lmw and stick to mw, fight the unification fight vs GGG
Daniel Jacobs was his last mandatory. He's now a 'wbc franchise champion' and the WBA champ at MW. His next mandatory will be eubank jr, should have been korobov. But that fake win over korobov was what has just made eubank jr the number 1 ranked. That puts him in mandatory position in future.
if in 2 yrs time canelo retains the wba super belt and avoids eubank jr, then we call it a duck..otherwise canelo hasnt ducked him. unless of course eubank jr loses to someone else.
Canelo has said he wants to fight Eubank jr in england.

[ShaneMosleySr]

They asked for a verbal agreement before sending a contract, which is a very standard practice. Hearn and Joshua wouldn’t do that.

It sounds like a duck by your standards.

Asking for the full terms and Wilder's side not giving them was confirmed by both sides. Wilder's team said they wanted Joshua to agree before giving them

The negotiations between Wilder's side and BT was confirmed by Frank Warren.

Even if you choose not to believe Warren, you couldn't expect Joshua to agree to a fight he didn't know the terms of.

Impossible to accept. Not a duck.

[Robbie Barrett]

They asked for a verbal agreement before sending a contract, which is a very standard practice. Hearn and Joshua wouldn’t do that.

It sounds like a duck by your standards.

No. The standard practice is to send the terms when asked. The fact that Hearn asked for the terms shows they were interested. They wanted Joshua to agree so when they sent the terms saying they choose what network the fight is on (which Joshua would have to turn down because he has a contract with Sky) they could claim he backed out. Very smart move by Wilders team to make Joshua look bad.

[ShaneMosleySr]

1. Boxing fans want Fury, Wilder and Joshua to fight. No one cares if Dillian Whyte is in the mix. He got his shot and lost. He turned down multiple chances to become a WBC or IBF mandatory. He also turned down a rematch with Joshua.

2. Wilder fought Fury and is about to fight him again. So he is doing what you’re asking him to do.

3. The WBC offered Whyte a final eliminator and he refused it. It’s Whyte’s fault he wasn’t named a mandatory.

4. Jacobs wasn’t a mandatory. Charlo was and Canelo didn’t fight him. Canelo hasn’t fought a mandatory in 8 years.

1) most of us boxing fans, we know, talk about it..and therefore it is very relevant. it isnt just some obscure call out. it's been one of THE top HW call topics for a while.

2) wilder should be the one offering money to credible opponents. i didnt want to see another ortiz in-house fight.
Wilder got $10m vs brezeale..after being offered $20m by dazn...and he did **** numbers vs ortiz, got $5m.
He would have got more vs whyte than he did vs ortiz.

3) well like brezeale being named mandatory because wilder was going to get taken to court by brezeale. wbc made brezeale the mandatory to protect wilder.
let's not pretend here, wbc is in al haymons pocket.
See Brett Yormark

4) Canelo is a different case to Wilder, diff contexts. Canelo has been a multi weight division champion in different contexts.
He fought mandatories when he was the wbc LMW champion. He lost to Floyd and by the time he became champion again at MW, he strategically picked up belts at MW and LMW. Eg he could ditch the lmw and stick to mw, fight the unification fight vs GGG
Daniel Jacobs was his last mandatory. He's now a 'wbc franchise champion' and the WBA champ at MW. His next mandatory will be eubank jr, should have been korobov. But that fake win over korobov was what has just made eubank jr the number 1 ranked. That puts him in mandatory position in future.
if in 2 yrs time canelo retains the wba super belt and avoids eubank jr, then we call it a duck..otherwise canelo hasnt ducked him. unless of course eubank jr loses to someone else.
Canelo has said he wants to fight Eubank jr in england.

[j0zef]

Uhm.. This happens all the time. You new?

[Inspired]

1. Boxing fans want Fury, Wilder and Joshua to fight. No one cares if Dillian Whyte is in the mix. He got his shot and lost. He turned down multiple chances to become a WBC or IBF mandatory. He also turned down a rematch with Joshua.

2. Wilder fought Fury and is about to fight him again. So he is doing what you’re asking him to do.

3. The WBC offered Whyte a final eliminator and he refused it. It’s Whyte’s fault he wasn’t named a mandatory.

4. Jacobs wasn’t a mandatory. Charlo was and Canelo didn’t fight him. Canelo hasn’t fought a mandatory in 8 years.

1) .then why did we see ortiz 2 and brezeale? why did we see stiverne before that? fury only came back a yr ago..what about before that? should whyte suddenly back away because there's fury?
also man, what's with this glory hunting. there are a lot of quality HW's and quality fights. in the event of fury vs aj, who will wilder be fighting? kownacki? sorry, id rather see whyte, purely for the fun factor. it's just something i want to see.
i want to see them all fight each other, there are at least 10 HW's i want to see fight each other.

plus, there's drama in this fight, before it, after it. There's the pbc vs matchroom stuff, there's the fact wilder ducked aj multiple times..and we wanted wilder vs whyte to get a better idea of wilder's respective level.
truth is we still dont know...eg he lost to a 50% fury and ortiz is old..
i wanted to see him vs someone live. i actually think whyte will get flattened but the beauty of it is, it would be fking entertainment..the entire event.

also, as much as i liked the wilder vs fury fight, i dont want to watch it twice more.

ill give you this though
if wilder fights the likes of ajagba and tony yoka..ill be pleased.
i dont want to see him fight kownacki, dont rate him.
**** even wilder vs miller would be fun.


2) is it right for a mandatory to wait as long as he has though? **** that..it isnt an undisputed fight either...so whyte should be at least boxing wilder after the feb fight. instead it looks like fury vs wilder happens twice this yr.
wtf?

3) they were putting obstacles in whyte's way after promising him mandatory spot...telling him he'll be mandatory then saying 'oh no we're moving the goal post again'
furthermore, whyte argued that he shouldnt need to fight ortiz after ortiz lost to wilder before. it makes no sense for a guy to lose, only to become a gatekeeper for the mandatory spot...
all the while brezeale being told on the other side 'its cool, you're the actual mandatory'
btw Rivas> ortiz, i promise you that. rivas beat ruiz in the amateurs, pulev too.

4) my bad, you're right on that. I didnt bother checking up, forgot that jacobs was the ibf belt holder and it was a unification fight.
still...the rest of my point sticks...canelo has fought at multiple weight divisions and also lost to Mayweather. So there's a kind of context where him not fighting mandatories is okay, because he still fought floyd, ggg, chavez jr, cotto, mosely and daniel jacobs.
wilder has only boxed a 50% fury and old ortiz before. he's only had the wbc belt..and look at the quality of mandatories he has fought.
btw remember when wbc made tyson fury thw quickfire mandatory...and demanded fury fights asap.
that was ****ed up, they wanted fury to fight wilder asap without giving him rest. fury told them where to go..they once again ignored the number 1 mandatory.

[Outwest Exp 355]

This has everything to do with Wilder and nothing to do with Whyte. If it wasn’t Whyte it would be some other bum. Whyte could’ve had the fight if Eddie would’ve guaranteed the AJ fight next.

[REDEEMER]

This has everything to do with Wilder and nothing to do with Whyte. If it wasn’t Whyte it would be some other bum. Whyte could’ve had the fight if Eddie would’ve guaranteed the AJ fight next.

Hearn was trying to give Wilder a profile boost , don’t go lying again and say he didn’t need one because his last fight proves otherwise .

Hearn offered Joshua at that time as well so just stop lying in general creating stories to suit the Wilder agenda ,it’s clear as daylight Wilder avoided both Whyte and AJ for different reasons . It’s just how it was and the excuse king Wilder is why he loses at least my respect since on here and it ended with the broken arm one against Fury .Ha

[eco1]

u don't see sh it... Are you blind?