Wilder is the only fighter accused of ducking a random #1 contender

[ShaneMosleySr]

Whyte hasn’t been named a mandatory yet and he and Wilder haven’t fought.

Whyte already lost to Joshua. He also clearly isn’t as qualified as Tyson Fury, who Wilder is fighting.

Yet, Wilder is accused of ducking Whyte. Why?

I don’t see people calling Joshua our for ducking Charr/Bryan.

I don’t see people calling Yuniel Dorticos for ducking Ruslan Fayfer.

I don’t see people calling out Arslan Goulamirian for ducking Ryad Merhy.

I don’t see people calling out Artur Beterbiev for ducking Gilberto Ramirez

I don’t see people calling out Dmitry Bivol for ducking Dominic Boesel

I don’t see people calling out Billy Joe Saunders for ducking Rohan Murdock

I don’t see people calling out Callum Smith for ducking Fedor Chunidov

I don’t see people calling out Canelo Alvarez for ducking Chris Eubank Jr.

I don’t see people calling out Julian Williams for ducking Bakhram Murtazilev


I don’t see people calling out Errol Spence for ducking Kudratillo Abdukakhorov

I don’t see people calling out Manny Pacquiao for ducking Bes*****/Ugas

I don’t see Jose Ramirez getting called out for ducking Jack Catteral

I don’t see Josh Taylor getting called out for ducking Apinan Kongsong or Mario Barrios or
Alberto Puello

I don’t see Vasyl Lomachenko getting called out for ducking Lee Selby

I don’t see Jamel Herring or Miguel Berchelt getting called out for ducking Oscar Valdez

I don’t see Leo Santa Cruz getting called out for not fighting Rene Alvarado or Jayson Velez

I don’t see Shakur Stevenson called out for not fighting Michael Conlan

I don’t see Emmanuel Navarrette getting called out for not fighting Albert Pagara

I don’t see Daniel Roman getting called out for not fighting Ryosuke Iwasa, Brandon Figueroa or Murodjan
Akhmadaliev

I don’t see Rey Vargas getting called out for not fighting TJ Doheny

I don’t see John Casimero getting called out for not fighting Joshua Greer

I don’t see Naoya Inoue getting called out for not fighting Michael Dasmarinas or Liborio Solis

I don’t see Nordine Oubaalie getting called out for not fighting Nonito Donaire

I don’t see Kazuto Ioka getting called out for not fighting Jeyvier Cintron

I don’t see Kal Yafai getting called out for not fighting Andrew Moloney

I don’t see Kosei Tanaka getting called out for not fighting Giemel Magramo

I don’t see Artem Dalakian getting called out for not fighting Junto Nakatani

I don’t see Wanheng Menyothin getting called out for not fighting Melvin Jerusalem

I don’t see Thammanoon Niyomtrong getting called out for not fighting Jose Argumendo

I don’t see Wilfredo Mendez getting called out for not fighting Roberto Paradero

So why is Wilder-Whyte a special circumstance?

[QueensburyRules]

Whyte hasn’t been named a mandatory yet and he and Wilder haven’t fought.

Whyte already lost to Joshua. He also clearly isn’t as qualified as Tyson Fury, who Wilder is fighting.

Yet, Wilder is accused of ducking Whyte. Why?

I don’t see people calling Joshua our for ducking Charr/Bryan.

I don’t see people calling Yuniel Dorticos for ducking Ruslan Fayfer.

I don’t see people calling out Arslan Goulamirian for ducking Ryad Merhy.

I don’t see people calling out Artur Beterbiev for ducking Gilberto Ramirez

I don’t see people calling out Dmitry Bivol for ducking Dominic Boesel

I don’t see people calling out Billy Joe Saunders for ducking Rohan Murdock

I don’t see people calling out Callum Smith for ducking Fedor Chunidov

I don’t see people calling out Canelo Alvarez for ducking Chris Eubank Jr.

I don’t see people calling out Julian Williams for ducking Bakhram Murtazilev


I don’t see people calling out Errol Spence for ducking Kudratillo Abdukakhorov

I don’t see people calling out Manny Pacquiao for ducking Bes*****/Ugas

I don’t see Jose Ramirez getting called out for ducking Jack Catteral

I don’t see Josh Taylor getting called out for ducking Apinan Kongsong or Mario Barrios or
Alberto Puello

I don’t see Vasyl Lomachenko getting called out for ducking Lee Selby

I don’t see Jamel Herring or Miguel Berchelt getting called out for ducking Oscar Valdez

I don’t see Leo Santa Cruz getting called out for not fighting Rene Alvarado or Jayson Velez

I don’t see Shakur Stevenson called out for not fighting Michael Conlan

I don’t see Emmanuel Navarrette getting called out for not fighting Albert Pagara

I don’t see Daniel Roman getting called out for not fighting Ryosuke Iwasa, Brandon Figueroa or Murodjan
Akhmadaliev

I don’t see Rey Vargas getting called out for not fighting TJ Doheny

I don’t see John Casimero getting called out for not fighting Joshua Greer

I don’t see Naoya Inoue getting called out for not fighting Michael Dasmarinas or Liborio Solis

I don’t see Nordine Oubaalie getting called out for not fighting Nonito Donaire

I don’t see Kazuto Ioka getting called out for not fighting Jeyvier Cintron

I don’t see Kal Yafai getting called out for not fighting Andrew Moloney

I don’t see Kosei Tanaka getting called out for not fighting Giemel Magramo

I don’t see Artem Dalakian getting called out for not fighting Junto Nakatani

I don’t see Wanheng Menyothin getting called out for not fighting Melvin Jerusalem

I don’t see Thammanoon Niyomtrong getting called out for not fighting Jose Argumendo

I don’t see Wilfredo Mendez getting called out for not fighting Roberto Paradero

So why is Wilder-Whyte a special circumstance?

- -U no see others. U special see Whyte.

[Marchegiano]

Marciano and Valdes comes to mind.

In 53 and 54 Valdes would be the number one contender.

Marciano handled the rematch with Walcott in 53 along a rematch with Roland LaStarza.

Let me take a sec to explain LaStarza because I realize to most he was just a guy Marciano KO'd. LaStarza was a massively popular prospect from the Bronx because he developed a new type of defense never before done in the ring. He'd stick to the outside and when folks would cut him off and trap him he'd guard the blows with his elbows and lean against the ropes so the ropes absorbed the force for him...you know, like Rope-a-Dope done by Ali a generation later. He's the guy who pioneered it. In their first meeting Marciano was coming off putting a man in a comma, I'm sure LaStarza did look good. In their second meeting, in 54, Bill Libby reports Marciano shattered that fool's elbows.

Now it's 54, Nino is still number one but Marciano fight Ezzard Charles instead. Charles gives Marciano a good fight and makes it the the final bell after 15 so Marciano runs it back. Marciano gets his nose split in two, Charles gets laid to rest.

Now it's 55 but Nino Valdes is no longer the number one contender. Archie Moore outpointed and totally schooled that fool for a 15rnd UD. Marciano then fights and KOs Moore and retires.




Laid out like that you can see how a case is made by many for Marciano ducking Valdes. Take a look at Valdes's resume and you'll quickly realize the question isn't why didn't Marciano fight Valdes but rather what the sam **** was Valdes ever doing ranked as the number one contender? Which is probably why quite a lot of you probably never heard of Valdes.





They have a lot in common, Marciano and Wilder.

[Robbie Barrett]

How many of those have been #1 for over 2 years and have been begging for a shot at the title?

How many of those title holders turned down career high pay days to fight the #1 contenders?

Maybe you could find an example on your list that has one of those. Both? I highly doubt it. Only Wilder ducking Whyte.

[juggernaut666]

Wilder declined a career high pay day of 7 million on a fighter he deemed easy last year. That’s a duck...when you run away from career high ones and you are deciding who to fight with no schedule of opponent and one is offering that amount to you ,bf you idiots say Ortiz he was banned from a positive test and Wilder took the Stiverne fight when he already accepted side step money..... lol

[Inspired]

1) Whyte set his intent, to fight Wilder, years ago. in a division that gets a lot of attention...wilder has known for yrs whyte wants to fight him.
2) Wilder was offered the Whyte fight for $5m and Wilder demanded $8, back when his highest earning was $1m. Derp
3) Wilder was then offered $8m by Eddie after dazn entered the market. Wilder said "but befordeded a wanteded 8 millon but dey didunt doodit but now dewantodoodit? dey liars.
context, dazn came into the market..and so now $8m for wilder is easy money.
4) Whyte went down the WBC route and other than ortiz, wasthe only stand out contender. Brezeale was made mandatory instead. Whyte was the WBC silver belt holder..and was knocking on wbc's door constantly asking why he hasnt been made a mandatory.
5) you were using canelo vs eubank jr as an example...canelo has been a unified champion, if he was only holding one belt for 4 yrs straight..and his only mandatories were some ****house he's already beat (stiverne) and then another ****house who's cherry picked, whilst a genuine contender was calling him out and going down the mandatory route..only to avoid him..of course we would say 'he's ducking'.
eubank jr has never actively called out and chase a canelo fight.
also canelo is THE money guy, so he has a lot of guys after him for the payday.
if canelo was on $1m and offered $5m, only to demand $8m...then receive a revised offer a yr later, only to say 'they didnt give it before' would mean he's straight up ducking and making cheap excuses.

wilder will ko whyte in a bad way..im certain of that, i can see it happening the same way aj did in 2015. However whyte brings an energy to the sport that we all LOVE..like chisora. He's one of those HWs who doesnt give a fk if he gets knocked out, he wants the fight.
Wilder is a cherry picker, plain and simple.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Is it Deontay Wilder’s fault Dillian Whyte has been a number one contender for so long?

Nope but it is Dillian Whyte’s fault because he’s avoided final eliminators.

And why is Wilder the only fighter you blame for turning down career high paydays?

Joshua turned down a career high payday to fight Wilder. Why wasn’t that a duck?

Whyte turned down a career high payday to fight Joshua. Why wasn’t that a duck?

Does it matter that Wilder is making three times as much as that now? Not to you for some reason.

How many of those have been #1 for over 2 years and have been begging for a shot at the title?

How many of those title holders turned down career high pay days to fight the #1 contenders?

Maybe you could find an example on your list that has one of those. Both? I highly doubt it. Only Wilder ducking Whyte.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Wilder is making three times the amount Whyte offered now. Sounds like a savvy business man to me.

Wilder declined a career high pay day of 7 million on a fighter he deemed easy last year. That’s a duck...when you run away from career high ones and you are deciding who to fight with no schedule of opponent and one is offering that amount to you ,bf you idiots say Ortiz he was banned from a positive test and Wilder took the Stiverne fight when he already accepted side step money..... lol

[Robbie Barrett]

Is it Deontay Wilder’s fault Dillian Whyte has been a number one contender for so long?

Nope but it is Dillian Whyte’s fault because he’s avoided final eliminators.

And why is Wilder the only fighter you blame for turning down career high paydays?

Joshua turned down a career high payday to fight Wilder. Why wasn’t that a duck?

Whyte turned down a career high payday to fight Joshua. Why wasn’t that a duck?

Does it matter that Wilder is making three times as much as that now? Not to you for some reason.

Yes it is his fault. If he fought him he wouldn't have been #1 for so long.

Offers impossible to accept don't count as real offers. Yes Whyte ducked a Joshua rematch.

Doesn't change the fact Whyte deserves his shot and Wilder has ducked. Whyte's resume is arguably better than Wilders ffs.

Why do you defend title holders refusing to give deserving contenders shots they've earned? You're whats wrong with boxing. A fighter should be able to work his way to a shot at a title. Whyte has done that.

[ShaneMosleySr]

1. Who cares that Whyte has wanted to fight Wilder for years?

2. Wilder made $20 million in his last two fights. Whyte should have come up with more money.

3. See answer for #2

4. What the WBC does is Wilder’s fault because...?

5. Canelo Alvarez hasn’t fought a mandatory in 8 years and has avoided Andrade in two different divisions. No one cares. GGG was Canelo’s highest payday and Canelo gave up a belt and waited to fight him. No one cares.

1) Whyte set his intent, to fight Wilder, years ago. in a division that gets a lot of attention...wilder has known for yrs whyte wants to fight him.
2) Wilder was offered the Whyte fight for $5m and Wilder demanded $8, back when his highest earning was $1m. Derp
3) Wilder was then offered $8m by Eddie after dazn entered the market. Wilder said "but befordeded a wanteded 8 millon but dey didunt doodit but now dewantodoodit? dey liars.
context, dazn came into the market..and so now $8m for wilder is easy money.
4) Whyte went down the WBC route and other than ortiz, wasthe only stand out contender. Brezeale was made mandatory instead. Whyte was the WBC silver belt holder..and was knocking on wbc's door constantly asking why he hasnt been made a mandatory.
5) you were using canelo vs eubank jr as an example...canelo has been a unified champion, if he was only holding one belt for 4 yrs straight..and his only mandatories were some ****house he's already beat (stiverne) and then another ****house who's cherry picked, whilst a genuine contender was calling him out and going down the mandatory route..only to avoid him..of course we would say 'he's ducking'.
eubank jr has never actively called out and chase a canelo fight.
also canelo is THE money guy, so he has a lot of guys after him for the payday.
if canelo was on $1m and offered $5m, only to demand $8m...then receive a revised offer a yr later, only to say 'they didnt give it before' would mean he's straight up ducking and making cheap excuses.

wilder will ko whyte in a bad way..im certain of that, i can see it happening the same way aj did in 2015. However whyte brings an energy to the sport that we all LOVE..like chisora. He's one of those HWs who doesnt give a fk if he gets knocked out, he wants the fight.
Wilder is a cherry picker, plain and simple.