Deontay Wilder vs Top Ten Officially Ranked Fighters

[Ray*]

Ortiz I: March 2018 - Ortiz rated #4
http://www.tbrb.org/2018/03/14/13-march-2018/

Fury I: December 2018 - Fury rated #2
http://www.tbrb.org/2018/12/12/11-december-2018/

So that ranked Ortiz AFTER losing to Wilder.

And Fury AFTER drawing with Wilder...

Thanks for proving our point.

[Ray*]

Doing more digging, it’s seems Ortiz was ranked afterall, but Fury wasn’t due to inactivity and fighting two level on his return. My bad...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Name - Rank - Finish



Stiverne - C - UD

Molina - 9 - KO

Szpilka - 6 - KO

Arreola - 9 - KO

Washington - 10 - KO

Stiverne - 1 - KO

Ortiz - 3 - KO

Fury - 3 - Drawn

Breazeale - 4 - KO

Ortiz - 3 - KO

Fury - 3 - Not yet



I don't understand, quality wise, name staying power wise, Wilder's not even close to Joshua. So, why is it Joshua fans refuse to acknowledge Wilder's top ten wins outside of Ortiz? Why pretend like there's a full top ten worth a damn when we all know the top five are the only places with names anyone cares about and Joshua has done well to fight top fives, and, the men he's fought have remain top ten fighters longer.

What's the point in lying and stretching the truth when you already dominate that metric as is, just facts? Why belittle your argument with bull****?


I knew making a thread about Wilder's top rank fight would draw some Josh fans in to brag on Joshua. That's fine, have at it, but also, with such a one sided measuring tool explain why you'd bother trying to bury Wilder's defeat over a lackluster champion everyone saw as second to Wlad at best, his run at the bottom tens, or even the fact that Breazeale is certainly good enough to be considered legitimate given guys like Fujimoto share the same ranking board...rather than expose it.

You lot have done a better job covering up Wilder's caveats than Wilder ever could hope to. Seems to me there's no extra needed for a resume whore to make their choice, just post the truth.

I think there resume’s are actually pretty close. Wilder has 3 solid wins against Stiverne (first fight) and Ortiz x2. And also a controversial draw (should’ve been a loss IMO) against Fury.

I don’t think AJ’s resume is much better than that tbh. Whyte and Parker were solid wins. Andy Ruiz Jr is categorically not a top HW. Klitschko was 41 yrs old, 18 months inactive and was coming off a one sided loss to Fury. Povetkin was definitely past his prime but is still decent so that’s half-decent win too.

But as I say there’s nothing in either resume that stands above the other. Fanboys will argue otherwise but the real ones know.

[daggum]

you are using belt rankings? whats the point of that? gamboa is #2!

[Ray*]

you are using belt rankings? whats the point of that? gamboa is #2!

I know. But that’s all we can go by. But when you dissect Wilder’s resume and when he fought them and where he was at, his resume would be 3rd or 4th on the list of the HW.

He doesn’t even come close to Joshua, he doesn’t come close to Fury, he is on par with Whyte or Parker... etc

The only ones he fought at their time is Bermane and Ortiz (1)... He fought a Fury that was coming off a couch... and the Ortiz rematch? Don’t make me laugh.

Bermane is on the same level as Charles Martin. And Ortiz is behind Whyte on resume.

That’s pretty much Wilder all time great HW resume after 40 odd fights in 11 years, compare to Joshua (24 fights in under 7 years).

You either don’t know much about boxing, hate Joshua or must be a Wilder fanatic if you think they have the same resume.

[Dariusz]

Deontay Wilder has to win a good fighter with a chin. Knocking out Stivernes and Ortizes is nothing,

[Pigeons]

So that ranked Ortiz AFTER losing to Wilder.

And Fury AFTER drawing with Wilder...

Thanks for proving our point.

So Ortiz isn't a top-5 heavyweight before fighting Wilder, but becomes one after getting dropped three times and stopped in the 10th round? Seems like he was a top-5 guy, but wasn't listed in the rankings because of blood pressure medication.

Same for Fury.

You guys have no point. Because if your point is that there were five guys better than Ortiz or Fury when they fought Wilder, you're tripping.

[Ray*]

So Ortiz isn't a top-5 heavyweight before fighting Wilder, but becomes one after getting dropped three times and stopped in the 10th round? Seems like he was a top-5 guy, but wasn't listed in the rankings because of blood pressure medication.

Same for Fury.

You guys have no point. Because if your point is that there were five guys better than Ortiz or Fury when they fought Wilder, you're tripping.

Fury want ranked, not on beating Pianeta and serefi or whatever his name was.

Ortiz was actually ranked before their fight but he too doesn’t have much on his resume apart from Jennings.

So yeah that the point (Trying to make Wilder resume look better than it was).

[Pigeons]

Fury want ranked, not on beating Pianeta and serefi or whatever his name was.

Ortiz was actually ranked before their fight but he too doesn’t have much on his resume apart from Jennings.

So yeah that the point (Trying to make Wilder resume look better than it was).

Ortiz was ranked #3 at heavyweight before blood pressure meds knocked him out of the rankings.
http://www.tbrb.org/2017/11/29/14-november-2017/

His KO loss to Wilder got him getting ranked again. He remained a top heavyweight after the loss at #4.

Fury was ranked #8 before the Wilder fight. His ranking was based on inactivity, not ability. Otherwise a draw where you got dropped twice doesn't get you a move up to #2.

You can try denying the worth of the guys that Wilder has fought, but Fury thrice and Ortiz and Stiverne twice is the best resume at heavyweight.

[daggum]

I know. But that’s all we can go by. But when you dissect Wilder’s resume and when he fought them and where he was at, his resume would be 3rd or 4th on the list of the HW.

He doesn’t even come close to Joshua, he doesn’t come close to Fury, he is on par with Whyte or Parker... etc

The only ones he fought at their time is Bermane and Ortiz (1)... He fought a Fury that was coming off a couch... and the Ortiz rematch? Don’t make me laugh.

Bermane is on the same level as Charles Martin. And Ortiz is behind Whyte on resume.

That’s pretty much Wilder all time great HW resume after 40 odd fights in 11 years, compare to Joshua (24 fights in under 7 years).

You either don’t know much about boxing, hate Joshua or must be a Wilder fanatic if you think they have the same resume.

you can go by the ring, tbrb, espn, almost all the guys wilder fought weren't ranked by them. most of the guys joshua fought were. Using the wbc's rankings is just using circular reasoning. the wbc ranked them therefore they must be good, they are good becasue the wbc ranked them. cept we know that is all political. gamboa is #2 in the ****** belt rankings. thats ridiculous. also we just saw how breazele jumped whyte somehow.