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  • Toffee
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    Why you don't think AJ v Ruiz was a good fight

    People need to acknowledge something on here. They don't like to see a favourite dominate a fight.

    We all love a fight where the momentum swings. That's what Wilder v Fury did. That's what Wilder v Ortiz 1 did That's what Ruiz v Joshua 1 did in a single compelling round.

    Then we all love a fight where the underdog has some success. That's another tick for Wilder v Fury (remember where Fury was coming from at that time), Wilder v Ortiz 2, Joshua v Ruiz 1.

    It makes good entertainment because it's drama. In a boxing sense, though, none of those performances were particularly good. None of them were particularly aggressive. The technical displays weren't elite - far from it in some cases.

    Forget about whether you rate Ruiz for a second, Joshua v Ruiz never had the drama of the fights I mentioned. And that's why you didn't enjoy it as much.

    Joshua dominated the fight. He put on a more dominant display then anything that was seen in the other fights I mentioned.

    I get why that makes it less of an interesting fight, but tell me, why would that make Joshua's performance less impressive?

    The sense I get is that he would have got far more credit if he'd made a few more mistakes, lost a few more rounds and finished it in the twelfth when he landed those last few big shots because he couldn't be sure of a points win.

    That would make it a much better fight, and a much less impressive performance from Joshua.
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    Lol because it wasn't competitive you mean? Well, yeah......

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    • Lopez_Boxing
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      AJ 6'6 82" reach. Top dog

      AR 6' 74" reach. Top 20 guy

      Better have dominated. Running, jabbing, clinching
      Last edited by Lopez_Boxing; 12-12-2019, 04:14 PM.

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      • Toffee
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        #4
        Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
        AJ 6'6 82" reach. Top dog

        AR 6' 74" reach. Top 20 guy

        Better have dominated. Running, jabbing, clinching
        AJ should dominate and he did dominate. The others would attempt exactly the same thing.

        They would against Ortiz too.

        Again, does that make Joshua's performance better or worse?

        Does getting outboxed for 6 rounds make Wilder's performance better or worse?

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        • kushking
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          #5
          Originally posted by Toffee
          People need to acknowledge something on here. They don't like to see a favourite dominate a fight.

          We all love a fight where the momentum swings. That's what Wilder v Fury did. That's what Wilder v Ortiz 1 did That's what Ruiz v Joshua 1 did in a single compelling round.

          Then we all love a fight where the underdog has some success. That's another tick for Wilder v Fury (remember where Fury was coming from at that time), Wilder v Ortiz 2, Joshua v Ruiz 1.

          It makes good entertainment because it's drama. In a boxing sense, though, none of those performances were particularly good. None of them were particularly aggressive. The technical displays weren't elite - far from it in some cases.

          Forget about whether you rate Ruiz for a second, Joshua v Ruiz never had the drama of the fights I mentioned. And that's why you didn't enjoy it as much.

          Joshua dominated the fight. He put on a more dominant display then anything that was seen in the other fights I mentioned.

          I get why that makes it less of an interesting fight, but tell me, why would that make Joshua's performance less impressive?

          The sense I get is that he would have got far more credit if he'd made a few more mistakes, lost a few more rounds and finished it in the twelfth when he landed those last few big shots because he couldn't be sure of a points win.

          That would make it a much better fight, and a much less impressive performance from Joshua.
          AJ basically landed exactly the same amount of power shots as a bloated whale Ruiz who AJ was so terrified of he had a giant ring & a ref that allowed no in fighting whatsoever, whenever Ruiz closed the distance the ref was already trying to make Ruiz go to the opposite side of the ring so AJ can run away & clench to victory. You can't do anything you claimed while barely landing the same 40 power shots as your opponent over 12 rds & win by a few more meaningless jabs,thats the furthest thing from the narrative your attempting to use to revise what happened. AJ did not in any way shape or form do anything besides survive & tap his opponent a few more times
          Last edited by kushking; 12-12-2019, 06:40 PM.

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          • Sadiqkingofko
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            #6
            Originally posted by kushking
            AJ basically landed exactly the same amount of power shots as a bloated whale Ruiz who AJ was so terrified of he had a giant ring & a ref that allowed no in fighting whatsoever, whenever Ruiz closed the distance the ref was already trying to make Ruiz go to the opposite side of the ring so AJ can run away & clench to victory. You can't do anything you claimed while barely landing the same 40 power shots as your opponent over 12 rds & win by a few more meaningless jabs,thats the furthest thing from the narrative your attempting to use to revision what happened. AJ did not in any way shape or form do anything besides survive & tap his opponent a few more times
            Exactly, I thought Aj would by KO somewhere between rounds 3 and 6 but instead he won a 9-3/8-4 type fight where he was really gun shy and afraid to engaged, had Ruiz been 20 pounds lighter he would have won

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            • Lopez_Boxing
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              #7
              Originally posted by Toffee
              AJ should dominate and he did dominate. The others would attempt exactly the same thing.

              They would against Ortiz too.

              Again, does that make Joshua's performance better or worse?

              Does getting outboxed for 6 rounds make Wilder's performance better or worse?
              How many times have you rewatched this master performance?

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              • kushking
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                #8
                Originally posted by Toffee
                AJ should dominate and he did dominate. The others would attempt exactly the same thing.

                They would against Ortiz too.

                Again, does that make Joshua's performance better or worse?

                Does getting outboxed for 6 rounds make Wilder's performance better or worse?
                I said it after ortiz fight Wilder looked like hed lose every rd before the ko to any elite hw. And I'm likewise saying it now,AJ will never be the same he got exposed as much as exposed can ever be,he was CLEARLY terrified of getting into an actual fight with Ruiz, because he knows his chin would shatter. AJ didn't in any way shape or form demonstrate that he could do any damage to Ruiz & he made it clear he will never have faith in his chin ever again,when a fighter gets battered & quits either they prove it was a 1 off or they do what AJ did & prove he will never go toe to toe with a puncher again.

                I got Wilder by 5th rd ko after getting shut out til then.
                Last edited by kushking; 12-12-2019, 04:27 PM.

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                • 4truth
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                  Ruiz failed himself and he failed the fans. That is no reflection on Joshua but Andy ruined the fight.

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                  • Redd Foxx
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                    #10
                    It was boring AF. AJ fought timid much of the time and when he did engage, he immediately backed off. It was like a Mayweather fight, without the high skill level. The only reason Floyd was at all interesting to watch was because he had dazzling skill. This fight was, "I touch you then I run for a bit. Then I do it again." Andy had no plan B.

                    I'm not going to fault anyone but I will say it was awful to watch. I started shopping online after a few rounds of that shyt.

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