Hype over Tyson Fury and Wilder is crazy

[Curt Henning]

Saul had 0 wins at MW? Didnt he "beat" Cotto for the belts? Then gave em up to move down to SWW?


I'm confused now....

i can see why you and the rest of the gggroupies/canelo haters are easily confused...you cant remember what you said last week/year compared to what you are saying today

the gggroupies all called 155 "canelo weight" which is where canelo beat cotto at....you guys said it was a joke and garbage...and golovkin refused to even try to negotiate with cotto at that weight...he refused to even try to negotiate with canelo at that weight.....then you *****es all cried about how it took longer for canelo to finally fight golovkin...yet golovkin never tried to fight either guy at the weight that canelo beat cotto at.....

now youre trying to act like 155 was a legit weight because it helps your point....last year it didnt .....its not hard to see how easily you are confused...because you are POS masquerading as a boxing fan

[Toffee]

Their first fight didnt look like a great standard to me.

Shhh, people don't like to consider that.

It had great drama, but a classic fight it absolutely wasn't.

AJ finally boxes at range and gets criticised in comparison to these two - neither of whom like to engage.

Even at his most defensive, Joshua lands far more shots than Fury or Wilder.

Top Level boxing is very rarely a firefight. Unifications and changes of titles go the distance far more than people realise.

It's the drama that makes people remember these fights, and the Joshua v Ruiz lacked drama because it was so dominant... Which perversely leads to criticism of the dominant fighter.

[Inspired]

It can be argued that Wladimir Klitschko in 2015, Tom Schwarz, Otto Wallin and Luis Ortiz are all better than anyone Joshua has fought.

Not to mention the fact that Wilder and Fury fought each other and Joshua won’t fight either of them.

Wladmir klitschko is 2015 was not better than in 2017. Yes he was 2 yrs older, but in 2015 when he boxed Fury, he became a father for the first time during the same training camp and his partner went into post partum depression...
his mind was not there, neither in the build up to the fight (which inc one instance of him postponing) nor during. After 10 yrs as champion, he was bored of it and needed time off.
In 2017 he was reenergised and came in with an entirely different mindset.
now, granted all of this is highly subjective but you cannot negate the affect it would have on a guy becoming a father, having already been champ for 10 yrs and having to deal with a big gob mandatory who kept threatening to call off the fight.

Tom schwartz better than Povetkin, Whyte, Parker AND klitschko? come off it.
otto Wallin, you seen his record?

Ortiz has no credibility, he was on nandrolone before so his wins during that time are negated too...and even wilder admitted he sees him as older than 40. Not just that, he failed a medical with high blood pressure 1 hour before the first wilder fight. THAT is the guy who nearly beat wilder and had dodgy **** going against him inc wilder repeatedly landing illegal punches to win.
the second fight, totally fixed. That was not a real fight, just like wilder vs fury wasnt a real fight. wilder is blatantly protected by al haymon.
however for the sake of argument, let's assume it wasnt fixed...wilder got outboxed, landed once and ortiz was done, it wasnt even a full on punch. in the first fight wilder landed many times, ortiz was getting back up. maybe ortiz is just too old now?

im getting tired of comparisons like this though. at the end of the day, wilder vs fury 1 did 275k ppv buys and they both got paid $5m each, if even that.
Wilder went on and on about how Fury was the second best hw...he also claimed ortiz was the second best before/after the first fight...
yet he got paid $2m for that.
Even the $2m was in the context of being offered $5m for whyte (which he DUCKED).

fact is wilder has ducked $5m and $8m offers to fight Whyte.
fact is wilder has ducked various offers from Matchroom to fight AJ.
fact is fury has ducked a £28m offer to box AJ for the original wembley april date.

I believe what eddie says over what finkle/frank warren type of people say. Eddie has worked with various promoters of other top hw's and they all have since done business with him again. parker and usyk have signed with him for example. povetkin has still worked with him. even tysons cousin hughie signed with eddie, so he must be credible.
We know shannon briggs says Finkle robbed him out hundreds of thousands. we know frank warren is a blatant liar who's sued boxers and lost cases, bankrupted his companies etc.
plus, frank warrens story didnt match up with finkles story about the $50m offer.
finkle told dan rafael that 'there is no rematch clause if aj loses' whilst frank warren claimed he saw it and 'there was a guaranteed $80m minimum because if aj lost, he would have got another $30m for the rematch'
these people are blatant liars.

[Larry the boss]

Fury beat Wlad first and neither were knocked out by a fat midget

[JakeTheBoxer]

Top Level boxing is very rarely a firefight. Unifications and changes of titles go the distance far more than people realise.

People don`t wanna admit that.

[El_Mero]

i can see why you and the rest of the gggroupies/canelo haters are easily confused...you cant remember what you said last week/year compared to what you are saying today

the gggroupies all called 155 "canelo weight" which is where canelo beat cotto at....you guys said it was a joke and garbage...and golovkin refused to even try to negotiate with cotto at that weight...he refused to even try to negotiate with canelo at that weight.....then you *****es all cried about how it took longer for canelo to finally fight golovkin...yet golovkin never tried to fight either guy at the weight that canelo beat cotto at.....

now youre trying to act like 155 was a legit weight because it helps your point....last year it didnt .....its not hard to see how easily you are confused...because you are POS masquerading as a boxing fan

Listen old white guy from the burbs. Was the belt Saul won from Cotto the MW championship or no? Its a yes or no question......If its ano, then i take back what I said. If its a yes, then eat a dic.k and stfu.

[Curt Henning]

Listen old white guy from the burbs. Was the belt Saul won from Cotto the MW championship or no? Its a yes or no question......If its ano, then i take back what I said. If its a yes, then eat a dic.k and stfu.

how can someone, who is a supposed "man, sit back and type that BS reply?

fully knowing that himself(most likely) and all of the golovkin gggroupies called 155 "canelo weight" and made fun of him for fighting for the belt at a CW...and then defending it at a CW against khan.....

but now he wants to claim full MW wins for canelo because it doesnt help his cause arguing for joshua? what kind of poosy does stuff like that and types the poosy nonsense you just did?

canelo had 0 wins at the full 160 limit when he drew and then beat golovkin ....ZERO(you should be familiar with this as both a number and an adjective)

AJ beating top 10 guys means absolutely NOTHING until he faces the top tier elite HWs......theres 2 guys at the top

golovkins career before jacobs and canelo means next to nothing...just beating cans and "top 10 guys" proved nothing....he beat up and knocked out a bunch of nobodies(guys like stevens that actually lost to jesse brinkley and marcos primera)....when facing the elite he wasnt dominant and couldnt knock them out

just remember...you know what youve said...and if you yourself didnt say you know youve seen all the canelo haters/gggroupies say 155 isnt MW and is "canelo weight"

so dont try running the "canelo def has wins at MW before golovkin" BS on me you fgt

AJ can beat all the top 10 guys he wants..it dont mean squat till he faces a top tier guy like fury or wilder

btw wilder has about 26 rounds with top 5 guys....guess how many times theyve been down? 6 times....in 26 rounds....meanwhile your boy is running away from a 6 ft tub of lard with slow feet and short arms...LOL

fck off you lame

[JakeTheBoxer]

Thy only reason Wilder and Fury are still interesting is they are undefeated. When one of them loses, he becomes irrelevant.

That is also why they shouldn`t fight again because somebody is gonna lose this time, likely Wilder and Wilder fans will become Efe Ajagba fans.

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Fighting an already defeated Wladimir in a "fun" retirement fight isn't in the same category as ending his historic 10-year title reign.

A standout name on joshua's record would be Povetkin, but he simply wasn't the fighter he used to be after years of legal/doping issues.

Ruiz is not an asset to joshua's resume. He is a giant red X.
You don't get a resume boost from beating a guy who is only famous because he knocked you out.
I don't think people did the math on this one.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Fighting an already defeated Wladimir in a "fun" retirement fight isn't in the same category as ending his historic 10-year title reign.

A standout name on joshua's record would be Povetkin, but he simply wasn't the fighter he used to be after years of legal/doping issues.

Ruiz is not an asset to joshua's resume. He is a permanent F.
You don't get a resume boost from beating a guy who is only famous because he knocked you out.
I don't think people did the math on this one.

Ahhh, I see. Charles Martin is the extreme resume depth everyone is talking about.

So even though Joshua beat Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, it doesn`t mean much because it makes Wilder`s and Fury`s record looking bad. I see.