Comments Thread For: Ortiz Trainer: "Hell No!" - Other Heavyweights Can't Beat Luis

[kafkod]

Exactly what does Ortiz not fighting Joshua on DAZN in June have to do with his ability to beat Whyte, Kownacki, or Fury?

It has a lot to do with his trainer saying this ... "There is a reason people don’t fight him, and Deontay said it best"

And this ... “Luis has never said no to anybody. He picks up the phone and says ‘yes’ without knowing who the opponent is”

[ceylon mooney]

Like I said, "the Dillian Whyte is a PED" cheat deflection maneuver doesn't work in a thread about the proven serial PED cheat Luis Ortiz.

my mention of proven PED cheat dillian whytes 2-year ban for doping is no deflection of any sort on this thread about proven serieal PED cheat luiz ortiz.

[davefromvancouv]

So according to your version of "the truth" Ortiz was AJ's WBA mando before AJ even became the WBA champion!

What actually happened was that the WBA ordered the winner of AJ/Wlad to fight their mando Ortiz next, and the IBF also ordered the winner to fight their mando next, who was Pulev.

Obviously, the winner couldn't fight both of them next, so the IBF and WBA held a meeting and decided that the IBF mando should happen first, because it had been ordered first.

Nothing to with Hearn convincing anybody to do anything..

Wrong. Ortiz was already the WBA interim champion so ANY fight for the WBA belt should have included Ortiz. But Hearn signed Ortiz to freeze him out and have Joshua fight Klitschko instead.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-bo...z-signing-come

More ridiculous bullshit!

I explained above why it was that the IBF mando was given precedence over the WBA mando after AJ beat Wlad. Hearn didn't have the power to choose which one came first, ffs!

AJ didn't just just "somehow manage" to fight Takam after Pulev withdrew. Takam was next in line for the IBF mando position so AJ had to fight him next. That's how this stuff works.

And Ortiz didn't jump out of the WBA ranking because he realised he wasn't getting a shot. He opted to sign with Haymon and fight Wilder instead of waiting, and lost his WBA No1 ranking when he first failed a PED test, then got KTFO by Wilder.

Then, as you say, both the IBF and WBA mandatories were due. And Joshua chose Pulev. Then Pulev pulls out, and Joshua choses Takam. Ortiz now bypassed THREE times by Joshua. Then Joshua fights Povetkin, who's failed multiple rug tests but is treated very differently by the WBA, wouldn't you say?

But you're right. Ortiz didn't jump out. He was kicked out by the WBA for a non-WBA-sanctioned fight EVEN AFTER the WBC CLEARED him.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/42201920

These people seem to think that if they tell the same lies over and over again, the truth will be forgotten.

Exactly. The difference is the people telling the truth actually have the sources to back them up.

[JRB123]

Wrong. Ortiz was already the WBA interim champion so ANY fight for the WBA belt should have included Ortiz. But Hearn signed Ortiz to freeze him out and have Joshua fight Klitschko instead.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-bo...z-signing-come



Then, as you say, both the IBF and WBA mandatories were due. And Joshua chose Pulev. Then Pulev pulls out, and Joshua choses Takam. Ortiz now bypassed THREE times by Joshua. Then Joshua fights Povetkin, who's failed multiple rug tests but is treated very differently by the WBA, wouldn't you say?

But you're right. Ortiz didn't jump out. He was kicked out by the WBA for a non-WBA-sanctioned fight EVEN AFTER the WBC CLEARED him.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/42201920



Exactly. The difference is the people telling the truth actually have the sources to back them up.

You're wrong. Ortiz was stripped of the WBA interim championship because he refused to fight Alexander Ustinov, who the WBA ordered him to fight after he beat Vidondo and Jennings.

On top of that, the mandatory for the IBF was due for Joshua before the WBA mandatory was. It didn't matter who the IBF mandatory was at the time, it hadn't been honored since Joshua won the belt in April 2016. He had two voluntary defenses and then the unification against Klitschko.

[JRB123]

"Luis Ortiz (25-0, 22 KOs) has been stripped of his WBA interim title for disobeying the WBA’s condition that he face Alexander Ustinov after taking on Bryant Jennings. After World of Boxing won a purse bid for the bout with Ortiz on Aug. 15, the Cuban heavyweight 'chose not to proceed with the Ustinov bout,' the WBA’s letter said, and is instead facing Malik Scott on Nov. 12 in Monte Carlo for the vacant WBA Inter-Continental title." - via RING TV

[kafkod]

You're wrong. Ortiz was stripped of the WBA interim championship because he refused to fight Alexander Ustinov, who the WBA ordered him to fight after he beat Vidondo and Jennings.

On top of that, the mandatory for the IBF was due for Joshua before the WBA mandatory was. It didn't matter who the IBF mandatory was at the time, it hadn't been honored since Joshua won the belt in April 2016. He had two voluntary defenses and then the unification against Klitschko.

That's true. Golden Boy signed Ortiz to try and maneuver him into a title shot against Wlad. If he'd beaten Ustinov he would have fought Wlad next. But for some reason that was never explained, Ortiz refused to sign for the Ustinov fight and left GB.

Ortiz has a history of shooting himself in the foot with crazy moves like that. He did something similar when he swerved the WBA mando with AJ and signed to fight Wilder for $500k, and again when he turned down the $7million offer to fight AJ in the US.

I blame his screwball promoter, the same guy his manager accused of dropping the ball when he turned down the $7million offer from Hearn.

[davefromvancouv]

You're wrong. Ortiz was stripped of the WBA interim championship because he refused to fight Alexander Ustinov, who the WBA ordered him to fight after he beat Vidondo and Jennings.

On top of that, the mandatory for the IBF was due for Joshua before the WBA mandatory was. It didn't matter who the IBF mandatory was at the time, it hadn't been honored since Joshua won the belt in April 2016. He had two voluntary defenses and then the unification against Klitschko.

Klitschko was NOT a champion, so it could not be a unification. At the time Luis Ortiz was #1 mandatory challenger and Klitschko was behind him at #2. Ortiz was sidestepped by Hearn so that Joshua and Klitschko could fight.

[giant_king]

I think Ortiz trainer is so spot on with this.i can't see any other heavyweight beating Ortiz.the only one I can see coming close is maybe a roided out Joshua or roided out povetkin

[Monzon99]

More fraud from the PBC fraud empire. Ortiz ducked AJ/Hearn's $7m offer to fight Wilder for $1.5. Ortiz is another Haymon PBC pretender, just like spence, davis, wilder, stevenson, thurman, etc.

Pretender boxing counterfeits.

[lion33lit]

Wrong. Ortiz was already the WBA interim champion so ANY fight for the WBA belt should have included Ortiz. But Hearn signed Ortiz to freeze him out and have Joshua fight Klitschko instead.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-bo...z-signing-come



Then, as you say, both the IBF and WBA mandatories were due. And Joshua chose Pulev. Then Pulev pulls out, and Joshua choses Takam. Ortiz now bypassed THREE times by Joshua. Then Joshua fights Povetkin, who's failed multiple rug tests but is treated very differently by the WBA, wouldn't you say?

But you're right. Ortiz didn't jump out. He was kicked out by the WBA for a non-WBA-sanctioned fight EVEN AFTER the WBC CLEARED him.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/42201920



Exactly. The difference is the people telling the truth actually have the sources to back them up.

U da man Dave! Keep the unbiased FACTS coming....