Purses: Wilder $20 mil guarantee. Ortiz $7 mil guarantee

[daggum]

Fox believes the fight will do 400,00 buys, which is $30 million. PPV providers take 30% on PBC PPVs, but you still have live gate, international rights, etc.

As a general rule, whatever the PPV gross is, is pretty close to the total pot as the gate, international rights, etc often offset the cut going to the PPV providers, especially in this new age where PBC has gotten the providers to take less.

Now, it's a legitimate position to say Fox is crazy for thinking they'll break 400k buys and if they're wrong, Fox will lose money. That's why Showtime didn't match Fox's offer. Showtime didn't want to be on the hook if the fight failed to reach 400k buys, but Fox was willing to take the risk.

oh yea the live gate is going swimmingly! and if they did 325 for the fury fight are they really going to do more for this fight? haymon is locked in his room with a pistol and jars of piss awaiting the numbers

[rickJen]

This is almost $29 mil in purses. There is NO MUTHAFCKN way IMO this fight sells enough to cover the purse guarantees. This is going to suck for the sport, especially coming off the heels of Canelo/Kov losing money.

If the most known American HWT and the sport's cash cow with a huge Mexican fanbase are losing huge sums of money in Vegas this sport is in trouble.

Haha...a pro-PBC poster is in doubt.
This is hilarious.

This is all that clown Eddie Hearn's fault.

I made a thread titled, "Is DAZN destroying boxing?"
(have to look for the link...)

[Curt Henning]

guys the guarantees are real.....youre going to have to accept that

will fox lose money on this fight? its certainly possible....but it wouldnt be the first time an outfit had to take a loss in order to make a gain down the line....if fury rematch comes up(and we know fury has been doing well getting his name out there too) that might do very well

if aj wins the belts back then that one is gonna be big down the line too...and there can still be plenty of money to be made.....yeah they might take a loss here of some sort....but even floyds deal wasnt great for showtime some of the time until they hit the big fights like canelo and pac....

some of you are so blinded with wilder/floyd/haymon hate you cant think rationally....its sad how much you want them to fail.....

[daggum]

guys the guarantees are real.....youre going to have to accept that

will fox lose money on this fight? its certainly possible....but it wouldnt be the first time an outfit had to take a loss in order to make a gain down the line....if fury rematch comes up(and we know fury has been doing well getting his name out there too) that might do very well

if aj wins the belts back then that one is gonna be big down the line too...and there can still be plenty of money to be made.....yeah they might take a loss here of some sort....but even floyds deal wasnt great for showtime some of the time until they hit the big fights like canelo and pac....

some of you are so blinded with wilder/floyd/haymon hate you cant think rationally....its sad how much you want them to fail.....

the difference between wilder-fury/ wilder-joshua and floyd-pac floyd-canelo is those were guaranteed blockbuster fights. they knew they would do many millions of ppvs if those fights could simply be made. wilder fury did 300k...will the rematch do better? maybe but is it doing to do gangbusters and make up all that money?

[Curt Henning]

the difference between wilder-fury/ wilder-joshua and floyd-pac floyd-canelo is those were guaranteed blockbuster fights. they knew they would do many millions of ppvs if those fights could simply be made. wilder fury did 300k...will the rematch do better? maybe but is it doing to do gangbusters and make up all that money?

alot of guys, not posters here but actual industry guys, think fury/wilder 2 can do at least a million buys

if aj gets the belts back and ends up fighting wilder.....and that ends up on american ppv....that will probably do very well....

fox is also ********....it could turn out not so well...it could also turn out pretty well for them if they get a piece of fury and aj fights with wilder later

[Bullrider]

Bill Maher only has to invite guests and gets his regular 4 mil viewers per show on cable tv.
Can't imagine HBO spending more than $5 mil per show.

That's why HBO packed their bags and left boxing.

Game of Thrones' last season cost $15 million each episode. 13.5 million viewers per episode.

Big fights in boxing rarely reach 2 million viewers on free tv.

[NaijaD]

Good for Wilder and Ortiz cause they get paid a lot and set their families for life, always happy to see that. On the other hand there is no way this fight makes anywhere enough to cover those purses and yeah its not my money but I don't think overpaying fighters helps when it comes to future fights being made. These guys don't draw the audiences to justify these purses but again not my money so bring on the fight tomorrow.

[jqSide]

So what changed during the last couple of months when purses are in the vicinity of $1-2 million? I still have friends who haven't come back to follow boxing like they used to. Why would investors spend that kind of money knowing they're not gaining any profit from it? That's the part that you should be focusing on. Forget whether it's true or not.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

If Wilder is getting 20 million why is it officially 3 with 20 in brackets? If its 20 just say 20, what was the reason of saying 3 if its 20?

Two reasons:

#1 - Taxes
#2 - Sanctioning fees

Wilder is self promoted. His accountants will have him pay himself a fee for fighting. Instead of paying the WBC 3% of 20 million, he only pays them 3% of 3 million. Instead of paying state and federal personal income tax on 20 million, he only pays on 3 million. He can then funnel the other money through various business en******, deduct all sorts of expenses, etc.

It's done this way because the accountants say to do it this way.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

Ahhh right, back end money. LOL. So they dont know he is going to get 20 million, they are GUESSING. The 20 in the brackets means jack sheet.

Rafael isn't guessing. Enough people knew the real guarantees that he was bound to find out. Someone at Showtime might have told him what Fox's final offer was, someone at Fox may have leaked the number, someone at PBC, who knows.