20 Floyd excuses for not fighting Pac

[travestyny]

You seem really invested in this man...I don't really care lol...

How am I really invested? We were having a conversation but now you suddenly don't care. You quoted me first, if I remember correctly. Did you want to discuss this or not? I mean it doesn't matter to me as it was many years ago.

you're asking attempted gotcha questions that aren't relevant anyway...

Ah, so the old it wasn't relevant again, right?

What was the sole reason that the fight wasn't made in 2010 in their primes? Wasn't it because of the timeline for drug testing?

Now it's not relevant. lol. You guys need to be real.

a good point about Arum and Pac for sure...but to swear that Floyd wanted that fight and Pac didn't...just makes no sense man...not with everything we know about both fighters and those circumstances.

I have never stated that Pac didn't want the fight. I said he didn't stand up to Arum. I also said I'm confused about why he went along with this Arum scheme instead of demanding the fight. I'll leave that up to others to debate since I can't possibly know if he wanted the fight at that time or not. I know his name wasn't on the contract that Mayweather signed and I know why, but Pac fans don't want to discuss that so I'll just leave it be.

The point about Steve Kerr was a joke since the quote in your sig is eye-roll worthy...so I was ribbing you about that, that if you like that quote/guy then your logic is off, as it is here with the Pac/Floyd debate.

The only thing the quote says is that he hopes that the next Pres. will be a dignified person who will work to unify instead of divide. I think we should all hope for that. If you believe that person is already in office, then good for you. I wont' judge you over it.

Can you answer a question that others wouldn't? Do you have definitive proof that Floyd wanted the fight while Manny didn't? That's how your questions sound man...you can keep defending Floyd here if you want to, I don't really care about it man.

It's funny that you would ask me to answer a question that others wouldn't while you blatantly just ignored my request for you to answer a question that others wouldn't, but sure I'll answer.

1. The proof that Mayweather wanted the fight is that he signed a contract for a 50/50 split for the fight to be made.

2. I've never said Pac didn't want the fight. Again, I said he went along with Arum's scheme to get out of the fight. Whether he wanted it or not is impossible for me to know, but obviously he didn't want it enough. You yourself claimed he had $50million reasons to want it, but somehow that wasn't enough for him to agree to being blood tested no later than 15 days before the fight. But again, that's what you just ignored so I don't see a reason to keep bringing it up when you guys just dodge it every time.


And you're the one shifting to personal attacks instead of staying on topic. Maybe you are too invested after all...?

[Boxing_1013]

How am I really invested? We were having a conversation but now you suddenly don't care. You quoted me first, if I remember correctly. Did you want to discuss this or not? I mean it doesn't matter to me as it was many years ago.



Ah, so the old it wasn't relevant again, right?

What was the sole reason that the fight wasn't made in 2010 in their primes? Wasn't it because of the timeline for drug testing?

Now it's not relevant. lol. You guys need to be real.



I have never stated that Pac didn't want the fight. I said he didn't stand up to Arum. I also said I'm confused about why he went along with this Arum scheme instead of demanding the fight. I'll leave that up to others to debate since I can't possibly know if he wanted the fight at that time or not. I know his name wasn't on the contract that Mayweather signed and I know why, but Pac fans don't want to discuss that so I'll just leave it be.



The only thing the quote says is that he hopes that the next Pres. will be a dignified person who will work to unify instead of divide. I think we should all hope for that. If you believe that person is already in office, then good for you. I wont' judge you over it.




It's funny that you would ask me to answer a question that others wouldn't while you blatantly just ignored my request for you to answer a question that others wouldn't, but sure I'll answer.

1. The proof that Mayweather wanted the fight is that he signed a contract for a 50/50 split for the fight to be made.

2. I've never said Pac didn't want the fight. Again, I said he went along with Arum's scheme to get out of the fight. Whether he wanted it or not is impossible for me to know, but obviously he didn't want it enough. You yourself claimed he had $50million reasons to want it, but somehow that wasn't enough for him to agree to being blood tested no later than 15 days before the fight. But again, that's what you just ignored so I don't see a reason to keep bringing it up when you guys just dodge it every time.

Dude I am not a Pac fan or a Floyd hater...or vice versa.

I have probably watched 1 of their fights live, total...Mayweather Hatton when it was on at a friend's house.

If you want to swear up and down that Floyd wanted the fight at that time, and that Pac didn't...well you are entitled to your opinion.

I think you are wrong, based on all the information I have seen...and it is my opinion that Floyd thought Pac was too high risk at that time and Floyd kept moving the goalposts in efforts to eventually make Manny not agree to something...and that is more or less what happened.

Read up on the Wiki article about the negotiations if you want...that's basically how it was and how I see it...Floyd at the end was saying that anyone who fought him would need to be tested up to the day of the fight lol...and testing with a month to go before fight night is more than enough time to catch someone if they were doping...mandating all these other testing times when Floyd had never done that before...I mean it's just clear man who wasn't really wanting the fight for me.

But you are entitled to your opinion too and you can believe whatever you want.

[travestyny]

Dude I am not a Pac fan or a Floyd hater...or vice versa.

I have probably watched 1 of their fights live, total...Mayweather Hatton when it was on at a friend's house.

If you want to swear up and down that Floyd wanted the fight at that time, and that Pac didn't...well you are entitled to your opinion.

I think you are wrong, based on all the information I have seen...and it is my opinion that Floyd thought Pac was too high risk at that time and Floyd kept moving the goalposts in efforts to eventually make Manny not agree to something...and that is more or less what happened.

Read up on the Wiki article about the negotiations if you want...that's basically how it was and how I see it...Floyd at the end was saying that anyone who fought him would need to be tested up to the day of the fight lol...and testing with a month to go before fight night is more than enough time to catch someone if they were doping...mandating all these other testing times when Floyd had never done that before...I mean it's just clear man who wasn't really wanting the fight for me.

But you are entitled to your opinion too and you can believe whatever you want.

I think you haven't read my post. Once again, I didn't say Pacquiao didn't want the fight.

But what's clear is that you want to bring up anything and everything except whether the 14 day cut-off was a fair offer.


That tells me all I need to know honestly. Cheers.

[Boxing_1013]

I think you haven't read my post. Once again, I didn't say Pacquiao didn't want the fight.

But what's clear is that you want to bring up anything and everything except whether the 14 day cut-off was a fair offer.


That tells me all I need to know honestly. Cheers.

I think 30 days was a fair offer...or whatever protocol Floyd and Manny had for previous fights...that would have been a fair solution.

[FredRekk]

How am I really invested? We were having a conversation but now you suddenly don't care. You quoted me first, if I remember correctly. Did you want to discuss this or not? I mean it doesn't matter to me as it was many years ago.



Ah, so the old it wasn't relevant again, right?

What was the sole reason that the fight wasn't made in 2010 in their primes? Wasn't it because of the timeline for drug testing?

Now it's not relevant. lol. You guys need to be real.



I have never stated that Pac didn't want the fight. I said he didn't stand up to Arum. I also said I'm confused about why he went along with this Arum scheme instead of demanding the fight. I'll leave that up to others to debate since I can't possibly know if he wanted the fight at that time or not. I know his name wasn't on the contract that Mayweather signed and I know why, but Pac fans don't want to discuss that so I'll just leave it be.



The only thing the quote says is that he hopes that the next Pres. will be a dignified person who will work to unify instead of divide. I think we should all hope for that. If you believe that person is already in office, then good for you. I wont' judge you over it.




It's funny that you would ask me to answer a question that others wouldn't while you blatantly just ignored my request for you to answer a question that others wouldn't, but sure I'll answer.

1. The proof that Mayweather wanted the fight is that he signed a contract for a 50/50 split for the fight to be made.

2. I've never said Pac didn't want the fight. Again, I said he went along with Arum's scheme to get out of the fight. Whether he wanted it or not is impossible for me to know, but obviously he didn't want it enough. You yourself claimed he had $50million reasons to want it, but somehow that wasn't enough for him to agree to being blood tested no later than 15 days before the fight. But again, that's what you just ignored so I don't see a reason to keep bringing it up when you guys just dodge it every time.


And you're the one shifting to personal attacks instead of staying on topic. Maybe you are too invested after all...?

All dat dere effort, and ya still wrong!

[Roadblock]

All dat dere effort, and ya still wrong!

I bet you can stand against a wall and both ears touch at the same time,,,,,, dunno what it is just a hunch.

[Biolink]

Manny could've had the fight in the 2 or so years of his so-called prime and walked away over drug testing. Demanding a limit to the amount of tests, and a cutoff a month away from the fight. Is it more obvious that he was juicing?

Those are only demands you would ask if you need to know when to cycle on & off. You think anyone would get away with that shyt nowadays? Or would they rightfully assume something is wrong? The halo effect around Manny is something else.

[Boxing_1013]

Manny could've had the fight in the 2 or so years of his so-called prime and walked away over drug testing. Demanding a limit to the amount of tests, and a cutoff a month away from the fight. Is it more obvious that he was juicing?

Those are only demands you would ask if you need to know when to cycle on & off. You think anyone would get away with that shyt nowadays? Or would they rightfully assume something is wrong? The halo effect around Manny is something else.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manny was juicing...but to think that Manny was, and Floyd wasn't, is silly imo

[dibzvincent143]

Floyd was a defensive wizard and with his 50-0 record is a guaranteed HOF boxer. He defeated Manny by UD when they fought.
But when people say both May and Pac made excuses and act like it was the same for both, it's just not true.
#1 Manny's not good enough
#2 Pac's PPV numbers are bad
#3 Manny wants 50?50 split
#4 Pac's lost and I'm undefeated
#5 I dominated in the 90's, where was Pac?
#6 Pac fights my leftovers
#7 I won't deal with Bob Arum
#8 I'm concerned for my health and safety
#9 Pac's coming from 106
#10 Manny has to get past Bradley and Marquez
#11 Pac's been KO'd, he's been outboxed
#12 Floyd gave up his title to Pac saying nobody tells me who to fight
#13 The Pac fight doesn't have the same aura as it did
Only 13 but 20 looks a lot better! lol

To those who have been here since 2008-2015 knows the truth.. all the others are just newbies for me

I’m a big floyd fan but Floyd never wanted a fight with prime. His dad and his entire team never wanted it. They accused him of taking drugs that can make you walk thru bullets.

Funny how all his demands changed when Pac was no longer at his peak. When pac got planked by marquez already and could no longer KO the algerias of the world.
He was easily okay with working with arum.
He was easily okay with a 60-40 instead of a flat fee.
He was easily okay with pac not signing under TMT banner.
All of which he pushed hard for 6 years.

HBO tried to pressure floyd to fight pacquiao that’s why he transferred to showtime. Every interview they asked him about the pac fight and floyd gets pissed.
HBO tried to summoned both of them for negotiation, and floyd was busy taking long vacations and ranting on youtube.. ranting about self preservation and all.. “then call me a rich coward” stuffs or “ali didn’t have to fight norton for the fans” and many more bla bla

Pac even sent his financial adviser Koncz to floyd’s camp to negotiate, only to be given a deal breaker of a flat fee 20 million... if pac doesn’t want to fight why he even bother to send koncz???

What did floyd remotely close to that that says he wanted the fight during 2009-2014? Nothing..

They are really good though, they made it appear that way... they made it appear that they didn’t avoid prime pac.. and 2015 was the right time.. brainwashed a lot of newbies

[travestyny]

I think 30 days was a fair offer...or whatever protocol Floyd and Manny had for previous fights...that would have been a fair solution.

What I asked was if 14 days was unfair? What do you think?