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  • Inspired
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    #61
    Originally posted by Curt Henning
    bro...take your wilder/pbc hating glasses off for a minute and be objective

    hearn can yell "farmer wants tank"..."Andrade wants whoever"...."haney wants loma"

    that alone wont increase those guys profile or make them more mainstream or popular...in fact the only people that hear about farmer, Andrade and haney are the hardcore guys like us on forums and boxing sites everyday

    Andrade is still a relative nobody(we are both from RI and ive known him since he was a kid)....nobody really knows farmer....nobody really knows haney hes 20

    what you are conveniently forgetting is that Crawford, who is one of arums top 3 fighters(and the only American born of his top 3) has petered out as far as being known/recognized....they basically had to pay khan as much as Crawford just to get Crawford a halfway decent name for a ppv.....Crawford is paid pretty well but overall arum has less mouths to feed...spence/Crawford basically making the same money as of their last fights...difference being is al still has to get money for danny, porter, Thurman, pac etc along with guys like tank, wilder and many others

    tank davis just turned 25 last week and hes already making basically the same money as loma....who is p4p #1......tank has been on 7 straight showtime/ppv cards......that's pretty good exposure for a kid isn't it? how many people are watching farmer and haney?

    hearn doesn't have an American fighter as known as wilder,spence or tank......and golden boy, off the top of my head, doesn't either

    yes...having AJ around helps wilder....but even without AJ wilder would still be one of the top paid US born fighters....which he definitely is right now for sure.....yes having AJ helps....so does having fury around....it helps all of them to have each other honestly

    but wilders overall populalarity is NOT A REFLECTION of anything haymon has or hasn't done...its a reflection of the US boxing market and the countries overall waning interest in the sport...its not as big in the US anymore as it is other place and especially the UK

    AJs charm and personality doesn't sell him...its his home fans...if you flip flopped wilder and AJ...made wilder a UK fighter who medaled for them in the Olympics hed be making the AJ money....if you made AJ a us fighter that medaled for them hed be in wilders position.....and that's a guarantee

    wilder is a decent talker...and he delivers guys on their backs and rear ends...hes always looking to end you...so hes a promoters dream....and he always puts his opponent down at least once at some point......so wilders popularity is a reflection of the interest in boxing in this country at this point.....because its not for lack of exposure or promotion(to think otherwise is a sign of lunacy)
    For the record, I didn't start out hating on pbc. The first time i watched Wilder was vs this guy called Kelvin prince or whatever his name is. I thought 'wow....this guy is going to take over within 3 yrs' and he also had a good message post fight, something like 'it's important not to just thank God when you win, but also when you lose' or something along those lines. a couple of yrs on and he was actually boxing on an even lower level on an amir khan undercard in the uk. I thought 'this guy should already be at world level and he's boxing fking fraudley harrison in sheffield?' and it hit me...he's being pissed about by a hispanic promotion that are trying desperately to take over the UK market.
    Remember oscar even signed anthony ogogo, he was desperately trying to get a major contract with sky sports and take out Eddie hearn. Schaefer was part of that move..and they failed because pbc came along and took everything GBP had except canelo.

    If you go and watch that fight, wilder vs audley harrison, look at the reception Wilder got in the UK. British fans immediately liked him. He was not a delusional boxer, confident but not delusional and annoying....but he has changed. in fact AJ was ring side that fight.

    What happened was when all these guys signed to pbc, pbc began putting cherry pick fights for their up and coming guys.
    that frustrated a lot of fans.
    Wilder just didnt step up early like he should have. You think hes better now than he was 6-7 yrs ago? we get weaker in our 30s, we lose bone density, stamina. we absorb less nutrients in our food because our gut health begins to diminish. all types of things affect the body as we get older.
    Wilder's time really was 6-7 yrs back. He should have been the one beating the klitschkos.

    Now ill respond to what you've said

    With guys like Tevin Farmer, Andrade, Jacobs etc. Eddie's position is relative to where they can go at their level. He wants to secure them the highest possible paydays at the very least. anything beyond that is a bonus.
    The important thing is Eddie wants them to get the big fights. Luke Campbell vs Lomachenko is a prime example.

    What Eddie does is takes them as far as their talents allow them to go whilst securing them paydays, whilst also trying to protect the mythos around them, most of the time.
    so when hooker lost to Ramirez, Eddie talked about how Hooker had struggled to make weight and needed to go up.
    same thing with Daniel Jacobs.

    The important thing is even when eddie has a limited fighter, he will try to deliver the best possible fight for them asap.
    Wilder was protected by al haymon. eddie would have rolled the dice years ago and maybe it would mean wilder having an L or more on his record, but he would be far wealthier..and eddie would do it in a way that would protect the mythos around wilder too.

    AJ, perfect example, lost to ruiz, still getting £70m from saudis, before we even think about the ppv revenue.
    Eddie's sold the rematch.

    Haney is 20.
    Andrade and Farmer are not known so much because of al haymon. When Eddie signed them, his whole argument was 'wow these guys havent been promoted right'
    you cant deny Andrade and farmer are bigger names because of their eddie hearn affiliation.


    btw are you forgetting tank was begging for more fights not that long ago?

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    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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      #62
      Originally posted by UNBANNED
      It's the same garbage.
      Not really... at least would just be one PBC champion per weight instead of potentially 4 WBC champ at the same weight.

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        #63
        This Al haymon’s jab at DLH’s ring magazine champ crap

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          #64
          sigh...is it a nice belt at least?

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            #65
            Originally posted by Htown-Finest
            This Al haymon’s jab at DLH’s ring magazine champ crap
            The championship thats been around since the 1920's, and has been involved in almost every notable championship fight ever since?


            yeah, totally Oscars fault.

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              #66
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
              Not really... at least would just be one PBC champion per weight instead of potentially 4 WBC champ at the same weight.
              but there would still be the WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA, ASS, FUC, ETC.

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              • Toffee
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                #67
                Ruiz v Wilder for the PBC Belt. Then Ortiz mandatory. Then Ruiz v Wilder loser made mandatory... and round and round and round.

                To be fair they've probably just looked at Fury and figured that people will believe imaginary titles if a promoter refers to it enough times.

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                  #68
                  The fact of the matter is that boxing badly needs for there to be only one world champion per weight class.

                  If the PBC Belt accomplishes this then it will be a good thing for the sport.

                  But if it just becomes another belt along with the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO? That will be a bad thing for the sport. We will be even farther away from a single champion than we were before.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                    The fact of the matter is that boxing badly needs for there to be only one world champion per weight class.

                    If the PBC Belt accomplishes this then it will be a good thing for the sport.

                    But if it just becomes another belt along with the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO? That will be a bad thing for the sport. We will be even farther away from a single champion than we were before.
                    And will none PBC fighters be allowed to fight for this PBC belt?

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by DaNeutral.
                      And will none PBC fighters be allowed to fight for this PBC belt?
                      No.

                      Just like only Bob Arum and Frank Warren fighters are allowed to fight for the WBO belt now, usually.

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