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cept ward didnt want to take the fight. thats the whole reason hbo kicked him off. not just the ggg fight but guys like bute, froch rematch, etc...hbo also told him they would not approve sartison and he went ahead and signed that fight anyway, then came to hbo and said i've signed my next fight. they were like well we aren't televising it. then the legal problems started. all because of wards opponent selection. this was confirmed in court records. his own promoter said there were a ton of fights hbo wanted and ward didnt want them so im not sure how you get ward was more willing to fight when he wasn't. i know you like ward but thats what happened. people can say i like ggg but ggg did something similar whne he fought rolls instead of andrade. only difference is dazn let him while hbo did not let ward take those easy fights that he thought he deserved.
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people say i like GGG. nbobody accuses you of being a ward stan. so in that regard your card is pulled. you're speculating about the offers you never saw, teh weights, the dates and if they lined up with reality. ducking bute? the guy carl froch flattened? not my problem you guys overrated the hell out of the fighter. if he beat froch you'd have a leg to stand on. but he got his ass kicked becasue he was an overrated fighter. not a f#cking soul called for that fight other than brits and euros who were detracting from ward. if ward had taken it and knocked him around the ring you'd have been calling him "goloviin's leftovers," because he knocked the guy out like a light in the amateurs.
you're not addresing the reality that golvokins team made the right decision to stay at 160 lbs for the money. they didn't move up to 168 or 175 lbs. they instead fought a string of very light opposition off of pay per view leading up to the jacobs fight.
As we moved into 2015, the fight looked no nearer to being made, but the cold war being fought in the media rumbled on. In June Golovkin gave an uncharacteristically angry interview in Russian, blasting the American for trying to generate publicity by using his name and accusing him of already turning down the chance to fight once in the past: “At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers – I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter – I’m not interested in the reason, I only heard your ‘no.’” Golovkin ended with some particularly harsh words aimed directly at his rival: “As a man, you are dead to me”.
Precise details of the meeting Golovkin was referring to are not easy to find, though neither Ward nor HBO have ever denied it took place. Assuming the conversation unfolded exactly as GGG described it, Ward’s response indicates that it likely took place during his hiatus from the ring in 2013, when he was sidelined after tearing his right shoulder and also embroiled in a legal dispute with his promoter, Dan Goosen. As such, the fact that Ward said he was not “ready to box” at that time is hardly surprising.
is this tge "offer" you're talking abotu? when ward was literally unable to fight due to shoulder surgery and a very well documented contract dispute with his promoter?
On October 8th, just three months after Rafael’s report, Loeffler gave an interview to boxingscene.com explaining why the official offer was rejected, saying it was received after their unification fight with David Lemieux had been signed and therefore too late. He also claimed their primary aim was to unify the 160lb division, but admitted they would move up to 168 for “mega events” against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. or Carl Froch. As for Ward, Triple G’s “stardom” had now surpassed the American, he argued, and therefore a 50-50 split between the pair no longer made sense.
and then months later, after ward returns and looks decent and losing weight, he's no longer worth a 50 50 split?>
is this honest negotiating? throwing **** through the media? f#ck you
. go spill your bull**** somehwere else!
i'm at least admitting that there wasn't a huge urgency in ward's camp to take the fight. they coudln't make 164 lbs if they tried. the comeback was 172 and 175 lbs. ward wentup and took on a much stiffer challenge at 175 lbs for less money. was he really scared of taking an L to a 160 lber who blocked punches iwth his face and who was taylor made for him?
what you're failing to address is that one camp [and las vegas] knows damn well who would be favored if they fought at a fair weight. who ducked who, really? let's assume both guys "avoided the fight" in part beacsue of the money. ok fine. factor in who avoided who because ward would mop the floor with gennady golovkin, 2 weight classes smaller and with a style taylor made to get walked around the ring and lose 10-12 rounds.Last edited by New England; 11-08-2019, 12:48 PM.Comment
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Canelo fought Fielding, who might have held a WBA regular title put was no better than Rolls. And Fielding was fresh off a 1st round KO defeat to the WBA super champion, Callum Smith, who was clamoring to fight Canelo.
And what about Canelo vs Amir Khan? Khan had a name but he made that name at SLW. Canelo dragging Khan up to MW and nearly killing him instead of fighting GGG, who was his mandatory challenger, was the most disgraceful cherry pick I've ever seen.Comment
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Did he look amateurish and basic going 24 rounds with prime Canelo at the age of 36/37 and arguably beating him twice?
He only stepped up at an age when most elite fighters are already retired because no other elites would fight him till he turned 35 and started to show signs of slipping.
BJS actually admitted that he waited for GGG to turn 35 before calling him out, because he would have been "slaughtered" by the younger version of Golovkin.
And please don't any GGG haters start quoting me talking about Andre Ward. GGG vs Ward was never even a realistic possibility.Comment
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Where to start with this? In Hagler's day you could unify belts without everyone ducking you.
Hagler didn't beat Leonard. But if he did, then we can also say that Golovkin beat Canelo...twice. The Ring Mag #1 P4P right now.
But Hagler lost that fight.Comment
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